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From: R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl (Rogier Wolff)
To: Itai Nahshon <nahshon@actcom.co.il>
Cc: Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Richard Gooch <rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>,
	joeja@mindspring.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: faster boots?
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:09:29 +0200 (MEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200204081209.OAA12003@cave.bitwizard.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200204060007.g3607I525699@lmail.actcom.co.il> from Itai Nahshon at "Apr 6, 2002 03:07:05 am"

Itai Nahshon wrote:
> On Saturday 06 April 2002 02:07 am, Benjamin LaHaise wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 02:02:36AM +0300, Itai Nahshon wrote:
> > > A required feature IMHO: there should _never_ be dirty blocks
> > > for disks that are not spinning.
> >
> > Never make assertions like that: on my laptop, I want *lots* of
> > dirty blocks held in memory while the disk isn't spinning.  Keeping
> > RAM powered is much less costly than spinning the disk up.
> >
> > 		-ben
> 
> I figure that if there are dirty blocks that belong to files that you
> want to keep, they must be flushed at some time, probably on the
> next sync(). On "normal" systems that's likely to happen in less
> than a minute.
> 
> I admit that what I had in mind was medium-large systems with
> multiple disks where some of the disks have very little activity
> or small systems where there is really zero disk activity for
> a long time.
> 
> I'm curios, how much work can you accomplish on your laptop
> without any disk access (but you still need to save files - keeping
> them in buffers until it's time to actually write them).

On a laptop you can decide to "trust" the drive to spin up, just
because the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

The benefit may be: Battery life becomes 8 hours instead of 4. That
might mean that you get 4 hours of extra work done while travelling at
$100 per hour.... 

Just editing source-code using VI, or reading docs can leave your 
disk completely idle for hours at a time. 

Debugging an app, compiling testing, recompiling can leave your disk
idle provided you accept dirty blocks in the buffer cache...


			Roger. 

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-04-08 12:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-04 23:54 faster boots? joeja
2002-04-05  0:21 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05  1:00   ` Jeremy Jackson
2002-04-05  0:26 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-05  2:18   ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05  2:51     ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-05  3:00       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-05  3:21         ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05  5:38           ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05 12:49             ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05 16:33               ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05 23:02               ` Itai Nahshon
2002-04-05 23:07                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-06  0:07                   ` Itai Nahshon
2002-04-06  0:29                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-07 14:42                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-08  0:48                       ` Itai Nahshon
2002-04-08  0:57                         ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-08  1:14                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-08  4:17                             ` Andre Hedrick
2002-04-08  9:57                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-08 16:43                               ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-08 16:48                                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-08 21:09                                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-09  0:56                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-09 22:22                                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-12 10:44                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-12 11:42                                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-12 14:29                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-14 19:40                                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-15 13:34                                             ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2002-04-08 17:08                             ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-08 17:49                               ` Rene Rebe
2002-04-08 18:02                                 ` G . Sumner Hayes
2002-04-08  6:02                           ` Oliver Neukum
2002-04-08 17:06                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-08 16:13                               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-04-08 15:16                           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-08 17:32                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-08 18:31                               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-08 18:40                                 ` David Lang
2002-04-08 18:56                                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-08 19:06                                     ` David Lang
2002-04-08 19:27                                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-08  8:03                         ` Helge Hafting
2002-04-08 12:38                           ` Rogier Wolff
2002-04-08 14:41                           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-08  9:55                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-08 12:15                         ` Rogier Wolff
2002-04-08 12:09                     ` Rogier Wolff [this message]
2002-04-05  6:14           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-05 12:45             ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05 13:04         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-05 21:33           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-05  5:26       ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05  7:45   ` dean gaudet
2002-04-05 18:43     ` Jeremy Jackson
2002-04-05  0:44 ` Piotr Esden-Tempski
2002-04-05 13:37   ` Mauricio Nuñez
2002-04-05  1:11 ` Ross Vandegrift
2002-04-05  1:55 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-04-05 12:56 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-10  1:20   ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-04-05 19:08 ` Mark H. Wood
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-05  2:10 joeja
2002-04-05  7:44 ` Helge Hafting
2002-04-05 12:13   ` Thomas 'Dent' Mirlacher
2002-04-05 15:14   ` Luigi Genoni
2002-04-05  8:00 willy tarreau
2002-04-05 13:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-05 13:21   ` willy tarreau
2002-04-05 15:29     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-05 16:20       ` willy tarreau
2002-04-05 23:10     ` Itai Nahshon
     [not found] <3CACEF18.CE742314@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204042330270.10358-100000@twinlark.arctic.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-04-05  8:41   ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-05 18:23 Torrey Hoffman
2002-04-06 17:53 Re: " Alan Cox
2002-04-06 19:01 ` Joe
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204051403200.7124-100000@mhw.ULib.IUPUI.Edu >
2002-04-07 20:10 ` Stevie O

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