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From: R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl (Rogier Wolff)
To: Itai Nahshon <nahshon@actcom.co.il>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>, Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Richard Gooch <rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>,
	joeja@mindspring.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: faster boots?
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:15:10 +0200 (MEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200204081215.OAA12031@cave.bitwizard.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200204080048.g380mt514749@lmail.actcom.co.il> from Itai Nahshon at "Apr 8, 2002 03:48:42 am"

Itai Nahshon wrote:
> On Sunday 07 April 2002 17:42 pm, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > > I'm curios, how much work can you accomplish on your laptop
> > > without any disk access (but you still need to save files - keeping
> > > them in buffers until it's time to actually write them).
> >
> > Debugging session (emacs/gcc/gdb) for half an hour with disks stopped is
> > easy to accomplish.
> > 								Pavel
> 
> My suggestion was: there should _never_ be dirty blocks for disks that
> are not spinning. Flush all dirty buffers before spinning down, and spin-up
> on any operation that writes to the disk (and block that operation).
> 
> The opposite to that (which I do not like) processes create as many
> dirty buffers as they want and disk spins up only on sync() or when
> the system is starving for usable memory.
> 
> An aletrnate ides (more drastic) is that fle systems can mount internally
> read-only when a disk is spinned-down. Means - you cannot spin
> down when there is a file handle open for writing. Other than this there
> are advantages.

Actually, you can allow the spindown with open write-filehandles. You
have to remember to spin it up and remount r/w when activity happens.

I'd really like my systems to remount RO if ilde for long times. I
have a few systems that occasionally stop unexpectedly, and not having
to fsck the non-active filesystems would save a lot of time.

(I've decided I dislike reiser: It ate two of my sources, because I
crashed the machine before the sources hit the disk. But the metadata
had been updated to indicate that the overwritten source was in a
different spot on the disk than the old sources. Having to go back to
an older version is less bad than losing the source altogether. 

Yes, I could turn on data-loggin. Yes, I could type "sync" before
insmodding the new driver.)

			Roger. 

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-04-08 12:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-04 23:54 faster boots? joeja
2002-04-05  0:21 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05  1:00   ` Jeremy Jackson
2002-04-05  0:26 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-05  2:18   ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05  2:51     ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-05  3:00       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-05  3:21         ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05  5:38           ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05 12:49             ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05 16:33               ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05 23:02               ` Itai Nahshon
2002-04-05 23:07                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-06  0:07                   ` Itai Nahshon
2002-04-06  0:29                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-07 14:42                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-08  0:48                       ` Itai Nahshon
2002-04-08  0:57                         ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-08  1:14                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-08  4:17                             ` Andre Hedrick
2002-04-08  9:57                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-08 16:43                               ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-08 16:48                                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-08 21:09                                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-09  0:56                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-09 22:22                                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-12 10:44                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-12 11:42                                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-12 14:29                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-14 19:40                                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-15 13:34                                             ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2002-04-08 17:08                             ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-08 17:49                               ` Rene Rebe
2002-04-08 18:02                                 ` G . Sumner Hayes
2002-04-08  6:02                           ` Oliver Neukum
2002-04-08 17:06                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-08 16:13                               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-04-08 15:16                           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-08 17:32                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-08 18:31                               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-08 18:40                                 ` David Lang
2002-04-08 18:56                                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-08 19:06                                     ` David Lang
2002-04-08 19:27                                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-08  8:03                         ` Helge Hafting
2002-04-08 12:38                           ` Rogier Wolff
2002-04-08 14:41                           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-08  9:55                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-08 12:15                         ` Rogier Wolff [this message]
2002-04-08 12:09                     ` Rogier Wolff
2002-04-05  6:14           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-05 12:45             ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05 13:04         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-05 21:33           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-05  5:26       ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05  7:45   ` dean gaudet
2002-04-05 18:43     ` Jeremy Jackson
2002-04-05  0:44 ` Piotr Esden-Tempski
2002-04-05 13:37   ` Mauricio Nuñez
2002-04-05  1:11 ` Ross Vandegrift
2002-04-05  1:55 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-04-05 12:56 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-10  1:20   ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-04-05 19:08 ` Mark H. Wood
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-05  2:10 joeja
2002-04-05  7:44 ` Helge Hafting
2002-04-05 12:13   ` Thomas 'Dent' Mirlacher
2002-04-05 15:14   ` Luigi Genoni
2002-04-05  8:00 willy tarreau
2002-04-05 13:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-05 13:21   ` willy tarreau
2002-04-05 15:29     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-05 16:20       ` willy tarreau
2002-04-05 23:10     ` Itai Nahshon
     [not found] <3CACEF18.CE742314@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204042330270.10358-100000@twinlark.arctic.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-04-05  8:41   ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-05 18:23 Torrey Hoffman
2002-04-06 17:53 Re: " Alan Cox
2002-04-06 19:01 ` Joe
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204051403200.7124-100000@mhw.ULib.IUPUI.Edu >
2002-04-07 20:10 ` Stevie O

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