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From: Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>
To: Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>, Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>,
	Richard Gooch <rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca>,
	nahshon@actcom.co.il, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	joeja@mindspring.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: faster boots?
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 01:56:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020409015657.A28889@kushida.apsleyroad.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200204080048.g380mt514749@lmail.actcom.co.il> <200204080057.g380vbO00868@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> <3CB0EF0B.14D48619@zip.com.au> <20020408095717.GB27999@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <20020408174333.A28116@kushida.apsleyroad.org> <20020408124803.A14935@redhat.com>

Benjamin LaHaise wrote:
> > > Well, noflushd already seems to work pretty well ;-). But I see kernel
> > > support may be required for SCSI.
> > 
> > I've had no luck at all with noflushd on my Toshiba Satellite 4070CDT.
> > It would spin down every few minutes, and then spin up _immediately_,
> > every time.  I have no idea why.
> 
> Were you using the console?  Any activity on ttys causes device inode 
> atime/mtime updates which trigger disk spin ups.  The easiest way to 
> work around this is to run X while using devpts for the ptys.

I was using X, nodiratime on all /dev/hda mounts.  My friend who has the
small VAIO with a Crusoe chip also reports the same problem: noflushd
doesn't work with 2.4 kernels (versions that we tried), and the problem
is the same: it spins down and then spins up immediately afterward.

That just gave me a small idea: maybe the log message to say "disk spun
down" was triggering a write to disk which spun the disk up again... :-)
My syslog.conf is quite clear about having - in front of the paths for
/var/log/messages and /var/log/kernel though, so syslogd should not be
calling fsync.

If someone knows that noflushd has been since version 2.5 for
2.4.current (or 2.5.current) kernels, then I'll give it another spin as
it were, and report the results.  I'd much prefer "proper" kernel
support as is being discussed in this thread though, i.e. writeout of
dirty pages prior to spin down, that sort of thing.  noflushd always
seemed to me a rather questionable hack.

cheers,
-- Jamie

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-04-09  0:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-04 23:54 faster boots? joeja
2002-04-05  0:21 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05  1:00   ` Jeremy Jackson
2002-04-05  0:26 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-05  2:18   ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05  2:51     ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-05  3:00       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-05  3:21         ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05  5:38           ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05 12:49             ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05 16:33               ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05 23:02               ` Itai Nahshon
2002-04-05 23:07                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-06  0:07                   ` Itai Nahshon
2002-04-06  0:29                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-07 14:42                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-08  0:48                       ` Itai Nahshon
2002-04-08  0:57                         ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-08  1:14                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-08  4:17                             ` Andre Hedrick
2002-04-08  9:57                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-08 16:43                               ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-08 16:48                                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-08 21:09                                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-09  0:56                                   ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2002-04-09 22:22                                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-12 10:44                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-12 11:42                                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-12 14:29                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-14 19:40                                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-15 13:34                                             ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2002-04-08 17:08                             ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-08 17:49                               ` Rene Rebe
2002-04-08 18:02                                 ` G . Sumner Hayes
2002-04-08  6:02                           ` Oliver Neukum
2002-04-08 17:06                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-08 16:13                               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-04-08 15:16                           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-08 17:32                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-08 18:31                               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-08 18:40                                 ` David Lang
2002-04-08 18:56                                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-08 19:06                                     ` David Lang
2002-04-08 19:27                                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-08  8:03                         ` Helge Hafting
2002-04-08 12:38                           ` Rogier Wolff
2002-04-08 14:41                           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-08  9:55                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-08 12:15                         ` Rogier Wolff
2002-04-08 12:09                     ` Rogier Wolff
2002-04-05  6:14           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-05 12:45             ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05 13:04         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-05 21:33           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-05  5:26       ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05  7:45   ` dean gaudet
2002-04-05 18:43     ` Jeremy Jackson
2002-04-05  0:44 ` Piotr Esden-Tempski
2002-04-05 13:37   ` Mauricio Nuñez
2002-04-05  1:11 ` Ross Vandegrift
2002-04-05  1:55 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-04-05 12:56 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-10  1:20   ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-04-05 19:08 ` Mark H. Wood
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-05  2:10 joeja
2002-04-05  7:44 ` Helge Hafting
2002-04-05 12:13   ` Thomas 'Dent' Mirlacher
2002-04-05 15:14   ` Luigi Genoni
2002-04-05  8:00 willy tarreau
2002-04-05 13:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-05 13:21   ` willy tarreau
2002-04-05 15:29     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-05 16:20       ` willy tarreau
2002-04-05 23:10     ` Itai Nahshon
     [not found] <3CACEF18.CE742314@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204042330270.10358-100000@twinlark.arctic.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-04-05  8:41   ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-05 18:23 Torrey Hoffman
2002-04-06 17:53 Re: " Alan Cox
2002-04-06 19:01 ` Joe
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204051403200.7124-100000@mhw.ULib.IUPUI.Edu >
2002-04-07 20:10 ` Stevie O

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