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From: Jeff Garzik <garzik@havoc.gtf.org>
To: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 12:25:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020420122541.B2093@havoc.gtf.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E16ya3u-0000RG-00@starship> <20020420115233.A617@havoc.gtf.org> <3CC19470.ACE2EFA1@linux-m68k.org>

On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 06:16:48PM +0200, Roman Zippel wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Jeff Garzik wrote:
> 
> > Guess what else?  You are taking away freedoms by restricting speech,
> > making documents less available than they previously were.
> 
> So we soon include cvs/rcs/sccs/arch/subversion/aegis/prcs usage
> information as well?
> You certainly don't want to restrict the freedoms of other users?

Two issues here:
1) Daniel was attempting a 'remove' operation, you are describing an
'add'.  The operations do the exact opposite in terms of information
dissemination.

2) If someone writes a good guide to using Arch with the Linux kernel,
or subversion, I don't have an objection to putting it into
Documentation.

Daniel disagrees with the content of the speech in
Documentation/BK-usage, based on his ideology.  And he attempted to
restrict the dissemination of that speech.  What is the definition
of censorship again?

People may think I'm just pissed because it's my doc he wanted to
remove, but that's only partially true.  I see this as a clear cut
case of Daniel's ideology pushing him to attempt to restrict speech.
That is anti-freedom, no matter how you look at it, regardless of
whether we are talking about BitKeeper or anything else.

Maybe we should have warning labels on software, indicating that
a product does not conform completely to some idealist notion of
free software.

	Jeff




  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-04-20 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 328+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-19 15:12 [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 15:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:16   ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 16:25     ` David Lang
2002-04-20 17:05       ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 17:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-20 16:25     ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2002-04-19 16:33       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:56         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 17:17           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:35             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-20 17:38           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21  2:26           ` Ian Molton
2002-06-18 19:12           ` Greg Stark
2002-04-20 17:19       ` [PATCH] " Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 21:03         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 21:36           ` Skip Ford
2002-04-20 21:40             ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-20 23:14               ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 21:53             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  0:04           ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-21  0:17             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21  9:22               ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 10:05                 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 10:17                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 11:10                 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 16:46                   ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 17:00                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:05                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 17:14                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 13:18                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-21 13:41                   ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 16:50                     ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 17:18                       ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 15:17                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:32             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:46               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:57                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:11                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 12:06               ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-22 16:39                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-23 13:49                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 14:51                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 15:29                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 17:00                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 18:12                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:13                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:17                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 15:35                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:37                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 16:04                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 17:01                                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 17:06                                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:05                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 15:27                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-21  2:30           ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 15:33             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 15:46               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 15:59                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 23:36                   ` Ian Molton
2002-04-26 21:58                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-20 16:37   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 16:45     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:54       ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-21  2:36       ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 15:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:29   ` Nils Philippsen
2002-04-20 16:56     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  2:38   ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 16:13 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-19 16:21   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:51     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-19 17:05       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:09         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 17:32           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:51             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 21:02               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 21:07                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 22:01                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 22:20                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 22:34                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 22:54                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  1:41                         ` Rob Landley
2002-04-20 15:44                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 15:52                             ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 15:59                             ` Russell King
2002-04-20 16:10                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:15                                 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 16:15                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:02                             ` arjan
2002-04-20 22:30                     ` Stelian Pop
2002-04-21  2:46                       ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 22:37                     ` Russell King
2002-04-20 23:15                     ` Kenneth Johansson
2002-04-20 17:05                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:15                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  1:38                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-04-21 15:32                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 22:00                 ` Stevie O
2002-04-20 22:14                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21  2:48                     ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 22:31                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:16                 ` Suggestion " CaT
2002-04-21 17:40                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 17:50                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:54                       ` CaT
2002-04-21 18:11                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:20                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:23                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:12                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:23                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:30                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 19:01                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23  6:04                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-22 10:44                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 10:47                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 10:57                                     ` Rasmus Andersen
2002-04-21 22:08                       ` Barry K. Nathan
2002-04-21 17:48                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:54                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:59                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:18                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 12:10                         ` Jes Sorensen
2002-04-23 15:02                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 15:07                             ` Jes Sorensen
2002-04-23 15:12                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 16:06                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-04-24  9:03                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-04-24 11:33                               ` Dave Jones
2002-04-21 18:53                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 18:25                   ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-20 17:51             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-19 18:27               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:51                 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-20 18:41                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:15         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:19         ` Dave Jones
2002-04-20 17:58       ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-20 18:35         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-20 18:13     ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-19 19:43       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 20:04         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  2:53           ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  1:46         ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 15:51           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:26             ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-20 16:34               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:27     ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-20 16:36       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:45         ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-20 17:41 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-19 18:07   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-19 18:15   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:44     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-19 19:22       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:48     ` Russell King
2002-04-19 19:19       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21  2:57       ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  2:56         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21  3:46           ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  3:43             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21  4:05             ` BK, deltas, snapshots and fate of -pre Alexander Viro
2002-04-21  1:53               ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 18:40                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 23:08                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-24  2:23                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21  3:59               ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21  4:32                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-21  5:59                   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-21  4:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 12:53                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 15:44                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 15:50                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 16:10                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 16:21                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:17                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:34                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:49                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:53                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:09                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 19:53                               ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 20:29                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:53                                   ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 21:05                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 21:21                                       ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 21:37                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 21:45                                           ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 22:49                                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 22:08                                           ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-22 22:25                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:25                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:30                                         ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-22 21:33                                       ` Nicholas Harring
2002-04-25 20:53                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-21 23:16                                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-23 20:45                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-25  3:51                                     ` Ian Molton
2002-04-25  3:55                                       ` Olivier Galibert
2002-04-25 12:38                                         ` Ian Molton
2002-04-25 13:33                                       ` David Woodhouse
2002-04-25 14:29                                         ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-25 15:41                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-22 17:31                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-27 18:59                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-26 20:19                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-28 17:42                                 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-26 20:38                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-28 17:52                                 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-27 20:02                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-28 17:40                                 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 18:08                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-28 18:47                                     ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 19:07                                       ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-28 19:27                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-28 19:41                                           ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 19:49                                           ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-28 19:42                                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 20:03                                           ` tomas szepe
2002-04-28 20:11                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-28 20:40                                       ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-29  6:55                                         ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-29  6:55                                         ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-28 20:06                                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-27 20:40                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 17:10                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:17                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:19                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:37                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:46                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 17:21                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:44                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:48                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:03                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:52                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:05                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:18                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 20:42                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:57                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 21:06                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:57                                       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-22 18:01                           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 18:16                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 18:29                               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 18:47                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 19:41                                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-23  4:57                               ` Andre Pang
2002-04-22 11:34                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23  5:56                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-21  4:31               ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  4:20                 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21  4:42                   ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  4:29                     ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21  4:49                     ` Ben Greear
2002-04-21  6:27                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-21 11:18                       ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 16:28                     ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 12:57                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 13:14                     ` Impressions of 2.5.8 Matthew D. Pitts
2002-04-21  4:40               ` BK, deltas, snapshots and fate of -pre Skip Ford
2002-04-21  8:31                 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 13:05                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 13:08                     ` Russell King
2002-04-21 20:53                   ` Skip Ford
2002-04-21 16:35                 ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 17:13               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:23                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:32                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:39                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:45                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:47                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:49                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:57                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:07                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:14                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:24                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:26                                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22  6:33               ` Rusty Russell
2002-04-21 15:36             ` [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  9:28           ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 15:53             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 18:11             ` John Alvord
2002-04-21 18:15               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 15:35         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:09           ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found] <20020421101731.D10525@work.bitmover.com>
2002-04-21 17:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:48   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:55     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:07       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:13       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:15         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:26           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:40             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:21         ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:29           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:36             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:46               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 19:07                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 14:39               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:38             ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 18:08     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:15       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 19:06         ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 14:53           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:03             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:27               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:30                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:47                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:40                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:57                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:47                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 20:54                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 22:04                       ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-21 20:22           ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-22  0:01             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 20:32             ` Jeff Garzik
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-22 18:37 Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 18:58 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 19:19   ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 19:51     ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 19:56       ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 20:13         ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 19:52     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:53   ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 19:47 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-22 19:54   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:13 ` Rik van Riel

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