* [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1
@ 2002-04-17 0:03 J.A. Magallon
2002-04-17 0:21 ` Andre Hedrick
0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: J.A. Magallon @ 2002-04-17 0:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lista Linux-Kernel
Hi.
New version, just collected latest important bugfixes:
- Serial port number assign (05-serial.gz)
- pagemap.h include for fs/ (04-fs-pagemap.gz)
- unlocking order in buffer.c::end_buffer_io_kiobuf (03-unlock-bh-before.gz)
And a couple new additions:
- ide update -3a (very shrinked wrt original, the big ppc part has gone
in mainline)
- netconsole-C2-2 (for my beowulf...)
Rest as usual, O1-sched-k3 (is any backport of the updates planned ??)
mini-low-lat, splitted-vm-33, bproc-3.1.9.
Enjoy !!
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J.A. Magallon # Let the source be with you...
mailto:jamagallon@able.es
Mandrake Linux release 8.3 (Cooker) for i586
Linux werewolf 2.4.19-pre7-jam1 #1 SMP Wed Apr 17 00:42:27 CEST 2002 i686
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* Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1
2002-04-17 0:03 [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1 J.A. Magallon
@ 2002-04-17 0:21 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-04-17 13:40 ` J.A. Magallon
0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Andre Hedrick @ 2002-04-17 0:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: J.A. Magallon; +Cc: Lista Linux-Kernel
There is a micro bug in 3a, look for 4 to arrive.
regards
On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
> Hi.
>
> New version, just collected latest important bugfixes:
>
> - Serial port number assign (05-serial.gz)
> - pagemap.h include for fs/ (04-fs-pagemap.gz)
> - unlocking order in buffer.c::end_buffer_io_kiobuf (03-unlock-bh-before.gz)
>
> And a couple new additions:
>
> - ide update -3a (very shrinked wrt original, the big ppc part has gone
> in mainline)
> - netconsole-C2-2 (for my beowulf...)
>
> Rest as usual, O1-sched-k3 (is any backport of the updates planned ??)
> mini-low-lat, splitted-vm-33, bproc-3.1.9.
>
> Enjoy !!
>
> --
> J.A. Magallon # Let the source be with you...
> mailto:jamagallon@able.es
> Mandrake Linux release 8.3 (Cooker) for i586
> Linux werewolf 2.4.19-pre7-jam1 #1 SMP Wed Apr 17 00:42:27 CEST 2002 i686
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* Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1
2002-04-17 0:21 ` Andre Hedrick
@ 2002-04-17 13:40 ` J.A. Magallon
2002-04-17 17:23 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-04-18 8:11 ` Heinz Diehl
0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: J.A. Magallon @ 2002-04-17 13:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andre Hedrick; +Cc: Lista Linux-Kernel
On 2002.04.17 Andre Hedrick wrote:
>There is a micro bug in 3a, look for 4 to arrive.
>
>regards
>
[...]
>>
>> - ide update -3a (very shrinked wrt original, the big ppc part has gone
>> in mainline)
Can it be related to my system getting hung on boot trying to do
an hdparm ?
I had not the time to dig more, just disabled it and booted fine (I had
some work to get done...)
TIA
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J.A. Magallon # Let the source be with you...
mailto:jamagallon@able.es
Mandrake Linux release 8.3 (Cooker) for i586
Linux werewolf 2.4.19-pre7-jam1 #1 SMP Wed Apr 17 00:42:27 CEST 2002 i686
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* Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1
2002-04-17 13:40 ` J.A. Magallon
@ 2002-04-17 17:23 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-04-18 8:11 ` Heinz Diehl
1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Andre Hedrick @ 2002-04-17 17:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: J.A. Magallon; +Cc: Lista Linux-Kernel
Yep
That is the bug on the ide_driveid_update call.
Find it and change the #if 1 to #if 0
Cheers,
On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
>
> On 2002.04.17 Andre Hedrick wrote:
> >There is a micro bug in 3a, look for 4 to arrive.
> >
> >regards
> >
> [...]
> >>
> >> - ide update -3a (very shrinked wrt original, the big ppc part has gone
> >> in mainline)
>
> Can it be related to my system getting hung on boot trying to do
> an hdparm ?
> I had not the time to dig more, just disabled it and booted fine (I had
> some work to get done...)
>
> TIA
>
> --
> J.A. Magallon # Let the source be with you...
> mailto:jamagallon@able.es
> Mandrake Linux release 8.3 (Cooker) for i586
> Linux werewolf 2.4.19-pre7-jam1 #1 SMP Wed Apr 17 00:42:27 CEST 2002 i686
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* Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1
2002-04-17 13:40 ` J.A. Magallon
2002-04-17 17:23 ` Andre Hedrick
@ 2002-04-18 8:11 ` Heinz Diehl
2002-04-18 19:27 ` J.A. Magallon
1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Heinz Diehl @ 2002-04-18 8:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-kernel
On Wed Apr 17 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
> Can it be related to my system getting hung on boot trying to do
> an hdparm ?
Yep, here it is exactly the same.
I also changed '#if 1' to '#if 0' as Andre mentioned but it has no effect,
my machine hangs at boot time....
--
# Heinz Diehl, 68259 Mannheim, Germany
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* Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1
2002-04-18 8:11 ` Heinz Diehl
@ 2002-04-18 19:27 ` J.A. Magallon
2002-04-18 19:34 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-04-19 14:05 ` Heinz Diehl
0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: J.A. Magallon @ 2002-04-18 19:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Heinz Diehl; +Cc: linux-kernel
On 2002.04.18 Heinz Diehl wrote:
>On Wed Apr 17 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
>
>> Can it be related to my system getting hung on boot trying to do
>> an hdparm ?
>
>Yep, here it is exactly the same.
>
>I also changed '#if 1' to '#if 0' as Andre mentioned but it has no effect,
>my machine hangs at boot time....
>
It worked for me, just booted fine with hdparm included...
--
J.A. Magallon # Let the source be with you...
mailto:jamagallon@able.es
Mandrake Linux release 8.3 (Cooker) for i586
Linux werewolf 2.4.19-pre7-jam1 #2 SMP Wed Apr 17 21:20:31 CEST 2002 i686
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* Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1
2002-04-18 19:27 ` J.A. Magallon
@ 2002-04-18 19:34 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-04-18 19:53 ` Erik Andersen
2002-04-19 5:52 ` Jens Axboe
2002-04-19 14:05 ` Heinz Diehl
1 sibling, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Andre Hedrick @ 2002-04-18 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: J.A. Magallon; +Cc: Heinz Diehl, linux-kernel
Thanks for the positive feedback!
About to add and test HPT372 final and then complete the MMIO operations.
Next will be to make the driver do the error recovery path that block does
not support and accellerate IO with true zero-copy. Lastly will make the
entire stack modular, which is about 50% completed.
Cheers,
Andre Hedrick
LAD Storage Consulting Group
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
>
> On 2002.04.18 Heinz Diehl wrote:
> >On Wed Apr 17 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
> >
> >> Can it be related to my system getting hung on boot trying to do
> >> an hdparm ?
> >
> >Yep, here it is exactly the same.
> >
> >I also changed '#if 1' to '#if 0' as Andre mentioned but it has no effect,
> >my machine hangs at boot time....
> >
>
> It worked for me, just booted fine with hdparm included...
>
> --
> J.A. Magallon # Let the source be with you...
> mailto:jamagallon@able.es
> Mandrake Linux release 8.3 (Cooker) for i586
> Linux werewolf 2.4.19-pre7-jam1 #2 SMP Wed Apr 17 21:20:31 CEST 2002 i686
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* Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1
2002-04-18 19:34 ` Andre Hedrick
@ 2002-04-18 19:53 ` Erik Andersen
2002-04-18 20:16 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-04-19 5:52 ` Jens Axboe
1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Erik Andersen @ 2002-04-18 19:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andre Hedrick; +Cc: linux-kernel
On Thu Apr 18, 2002 at 12:34:29PM -0700, Andre Hedrick wrote:
>
> Thanks for the positive feedback!
FYI, I have tried it as well (ide-2.4.19-p6.all.convert.3a.patch
on 2.4.19-p7 plus your recommended #if 0 change) and it has been
working nicely for me as well on a number of machines. This
certainly seems to be a nice improvement.
> About to add and test HPT372 final and then complete the MMIO operations.
> Next will be to make the driver do the error recovery path that block does
Can you go into a little detail on your plans for error handling?
I think the currently error handling for the ide-subsystem,
especially in the presence of sequences of bad sectors, is not
especially robust (and is quite slow)... In one case I tested
yesterday (with 2.4.19-p7 plus your patch) using a 340 MB
microdrive with a big chunk of bad sectors on it (the device
admittedly is in pretty sorry shape but makes an excellent
ide-subsystem tester ;-), the kernel wedged solid while trying to
read from it...
-Erik
--
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* Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1
2002-04-18 19:53 ` Erik Andersen
@ 2002-04-18 20:16 ` Andre Hedrick
0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Andre Hedrick @ 2002-04-18 20:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Erik Andersen; +Cc: linux-kernel
Well the proper solution is for me to finish the "ide-flash" subdriver.
As CFA devices have special error transformations and decodes, as will any
SDA device.
Proper error path in the driver ... hmmm, I have a discription and batted
it around and more people understand the problem now. The issue becomes
in full disclosure and not producing a mass panic. I would like to have a
solution complete before "wolf" and nothing to kill the beast in sight.
Cheers,
Andre Hedrick
LAD Storage Consulting Group
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Erik Andersen wrote:
> On Thu Apr 18, 2002 at 12:34:29PM -0700, Andre Hedrick wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the positive feedback!
>
> FYI, I have tried it as well (ide-2.4.19-p6.all.convert.3a.patch
> on 2.4.19-p7 plus your recommended #if 0 change) and it has been
> working nicely for me as well on a number of machines. This
> certainly seems to be a nice improvement.
>
> > About to add and test HPT372 final and then complete the MMIO operations.
> > Next will be to make the driver do the error recovery path that block does
>
> Can you go into a little detail on your plans for error handling?
>
> I think the currently error handling for the ide-subsystem,
> especially in the presence of sequences of bad sectors, is not
> especially robust (and is quite slow)... In one case I tested
> yesterday (with 2.4.19-p7 plus your patch) using a 340 MB
> microdrive with a big chunk of bad sectors on it (the device
> admittedly is in pretty sorry shape but makes an excellent
> ide-subsystem tester ;-), the kernel wedged solid while trying to
> read from it...
>
> -Erik
>
> --
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* Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1
2002-04-18 19:34 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-04-18 19:53 ` Erik Andersen
@ 2002-04-19 5:52 ` Jens Axboe
1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Jens Axboe @ 2002-04-19 5:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andre Hedrick; +Cc: J.A. Magallon, Heinz Diehl, linux-kernel
On Thu, Apr 18 2002, Andre Hedrick wrote:
> not support and accellerate IO with true zero-copy. [...]
Care to expand on what you are talking about here?
--
Jens Axboe
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* Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1
2002-04-18 19:27 ` J.A. Magallon
2002-04-18 19:34 ` Andre Hedrick
@ 2002-04-19 14:05 ` Heinz Diehl
2002-04-19 20:30 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-04-19 23:26 ` [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1, -jam2 J.A. Magallon
1 sibling, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Heinz Diehl @ 2002-04-19 14:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-kernel; +Cc: jmagallon, andre
On Thu Apr 18 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
> >I also changed '#if 1' to '#if 0' as Andre mentioned but it has no effect,
> >my machine hangs at boot time....
> It worked for me, just booted fine with hdparm included...
I just merged "ide-2.4.19-p7.all.convert.5.patch" into my tree, and now
it works also for me. With former versions my machine hung at boot time,
wether #if 0 or 1 was set.
--
# Heinz Diehl, 68259 Mannheim, Germany
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* Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1
2002-04-19 14:05 ` Heinz Diehl
@ 2002-04-19 20:30 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-04-19 23:26 ` [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1, -jam2 J.A. Magallon
1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Andre Hedrick @ 2002-04-19 20:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Heinz Diehl; +Cc: linux-kernel, jmagallon
Thank you for the positive report ! :-)
Cheers,
Andre Hedrick
LAD Storage Consulting Group
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On Thu Apr 18 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
>
> > >I also changed '#if 1' to '#if 0' as Andre mentioned but it has no effect,
> > >my machine hangs at boot time....
>
> > It worked for me, just booted fine with hdparm included...
>
> I just merged "ide-2.4.19-p7.all.convert.5.patch" into my tree, and now
> it works also for me. With former versions my machine hung at boot time,
> wether #if 0 or 1 was set.
>
> --
> # Heinz Diehl, 68259 Mannheim, Germany
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* Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1, -jam2
2002-04-19 14:05 ` Heinz Diehl
2002-04-19 20:30 ` Andre Hedrick
@ 2002-04-19 23:26 ` J.A. Magallon
2002-04-20 10:41 ` update for {Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1, -jam2} Andre Hedrick
1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: J.A. Magallon @ 2002-04-19 23:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Heinz Diehl; +Cc: linux-kernel, andre
On 2002.04.19 Heinz Diehl wrote:
>On Thu Apr 18 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
>
>> >I also changed '#if 1' to '#if 0' as Andre mentioned but it has no effect,
>> >my machine hangs at boot time....
>
>> It worked for me, just booted fine with hdparm included...
>
>I just merged "ide-2.4.19-p7.all.convert.5.patch" into my tree, and now
>it works also for me. With former versions my machine hung at boot time,
>wether #if 0 or 1 was set.
>
Just a 'me too'. Patch -5 booted fine, I have put a -jam2 in the usual place:
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Mandrake Linux release 8.3 (Cooker) for i586
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2002-04-19 23:26 ` [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1, -jam2 J.A. Magallon
@ 2002-04-20 10:41 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-04-20 14:16 ` Dan Chen
2002-04-20 15:47 ` Heinz Diehl
0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Andre Hedrick @ 2002-04-20 10:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: J.A. Magallon; +Cc: Heinz Diehl, linux-kernel
http://www.linuxdiskcert.org/ide-2.4.19-p7.all.convert.6.patch.bz2
fixes hpt372
migration towards modular chipsets
devfs ide-scsi
more but can not remember
little uglyer but will collapse clean.
thanks for testing...
On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
>
> On 2002.04.19 Heinz Diehl wrote:
> >On Thu Apr 18 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
> >
> >> >I also changed '#if 1' to '#if 0' as Andre mentioned but it has no effect,
> >> >my machine hangs at boot time....
> >
> >> It worked for me, just booted fine with hdparm included...
> >
> >I just merged "ide-2.4.19-p7.all.convert.5.patch" into my tree, and now
> >it works also for me. With former versions my machine hung at boot time,
> >wether #if 0 or 1 was set.
> >
>
> Just a 'me too'. Patch -5 booted fine, I have put a -jam2 in the usual place:
>
>
> --
> J.A. Magallon # Let the source be with you...
> mailto:jamagallon@able.es
> Mandrake Linux release 8.3 (Cooker) for i586
> Linux werewolf 2.4.19-pre7-jam2 #1 SMP sáb abr 20 00:20:15 CEST 2002 i686
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2002-04-20 10:41 ` update for {Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1, -jam2} Andre Hedrick
@ 2002-04-20 14:16 ` Dan Chen
2002-04-20 15:47 ` Heinz Diehl
1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Dan Chen @ 2002-04-20 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andre Hedrick; +Cc: linux-kernel
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On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 03:41:17AM -0700, Andre Hedrick wrote:
> http://www.linuxdiskcert.org/ide-2.4.19-p7.all.convert.6.patch.bz2
>
> fixes hpt372
> migration towards modular chipsets
> devfs ide-scsi
> more but can not remember
> little uglyer but will collapse clean.
>
> thanks for testing...
Boots fine here. I'll bang on the ide-scsi bit by burning some stuff.
--
Dan Chen crimsun@email.unc.edu
GPG key: www.unc.edu/~crimsun/pubkey.gpg.asc
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2002-04-20 10:41 ` update for {Re: [PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1, -jam2} Andre Hedrick
2002-04-20 14:16 ` Dan Chen
@ 2002-04-20 15:47 ` Heinz Diehl
2002-04-20 16:01 ` François Cami
1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Heinz Diehl @ 2002-04-20 15:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andre Hedrick; +Cc: linux-kernel, jamagallon
On Sat Apr 20 2002, Andre Hedrick wrote:
> http://www.linuxdiskcert.org/ide-2.4.19-p7.all.convert.6.patch.bz2
No problems so far, will report if something strange occurs.
--
# Heinz Diehl, 68259 Mannheim, Germany
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