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From: Pete Zaitcev <zaitcev@redhat.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: BK, deltas, snapshots and fate of -pre...
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:37:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200204240037.g3O0bhT11578@devserv.devel.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1019594711.6915.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>

>> > The well-defined resync points are the 2.5.N releases.  If -pre goes away,
>> > then the dot-releases might need to come a little closer together, that's all.
>> 
>> I agree.
>> 
>> I've told myself that I shouldn't have done "-preX" releases at all in
>> 2.5.x - the "real" numbers have become diluted by them, and I suspect the
>> -pre's are really just because I got used to making them during the
>> over-long 2.4.x time.
> 
> I believe -pre's are still important. Daily snapshots are too likely to be
> broken, and "real" releases are different from -pre ones (with *usefull*
> difference): you can ignore -pre release, but you can't ignore real release
> (because real releases are relative to each other).

Pavel, I think it is an delusion. In practical terms we have
a string of -pre and traditional releases which differ really
little in terms of reliability. I number of 2.5.x without -pre
fail to compile different non-core modules. 2.5.9 hangs on boot
on my machine, while -preX worked.

Marcelo pays more attention to stabilizing suffixless releases,
and as well he should. However, I do not see how this can
be meaningfuly done in 2.5.x. I am not going to shed any tears
over the demise of -pre in unstable series, provided that
releases get spaced tighter, with smaller patch size between them.

-- Pete

       reply	other threads:[~2002-04-24  0:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.1019594711.6915.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2002-04-24  0:37 ` Pete Zaitcev [this message]
2002-04-23  0:35 BK, deltas, snapshots and fate of -pre Chris Adams
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-22 17:45 Petr Vandrovec
2002-04-22 18:19 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-22 18:20   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-22 18:31     ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-22 19:40       ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-22 19:44         ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 14:25 Andries.Brouwer
2002-04-21  3:46 [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree Ian Molton
2002-04-21  4:05 ` BK, deltas, snapshots and fate of -pre Alexander Viro
2002-04-21  1:53   ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 18:40     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 23:08       ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-24  2:23         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21  3:59   ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21  4:32     ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-21  5:59       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-21  4:13   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 12:53     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 15:44       ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 15:50         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 16:10           ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 16:21             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:17               ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:34                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:38                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:49                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:53                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:09                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 19:53                   ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 20:29                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:53                       ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 21:05                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 21:21                           ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 21:37                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 21:45                               ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 22:49                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 22:08                               ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-22 22:25                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:25                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:30                             ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-22 21:33                           ` Nicholas Harring
2002-04-25 20:53                         ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-21 23:16                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-23 20:45                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-25  3:51                         ` Ian Molton
2002-04-25  3:55                           ` Olivier Galibert
2002-04-25 12:38                             ` Ian Molton
2002-04-25 13:33                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-04-25 14:29                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-25 15:41                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-22 17:31                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-27 18:59                 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-26 20:19                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-28 17:42                     ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-26 20:38                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-28 17:52                     ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-27 20:02                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-28 17:40                     ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 18:08                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-28 18:47                         ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 19:07                           ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-28 19:27                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-28 19:41                               ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 19:49                               ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-28 19:42                                 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 20:03                               ` tomas szepe
2002-04-28 20:11                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-28 20:40                           ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-29  6:55                             ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-29  6:55                             ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-28 20:06                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-27 20:40                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 17:10           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:17             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:19               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:37                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:46                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 17:21               ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:44                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:48                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:03                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:52                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:05                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:18                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 20:42                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:57                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 21:06                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:57                           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-22 18:01               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 18:16                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 18:29                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 18:47                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 19:41                       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-23  4:57                   ` Andre Pang
2002-04-22 11:34                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23  5:56                     ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-21  4:31   ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  4:20     ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21  4:42       ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  4:29         ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21  4:49         ` Ben Greear
2002-04-21  6:27         ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-21 11:18           ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 16:28         ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 12:57       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21  4:40   ` Skip Ford
2002-04-21  8:31     ` Russell King
2002-04-21 13:05       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 13:08         ` Russell King
2002-04-21 20:53       ` Skip Ford
2002-04-21 16:35     ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 17:13   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:23     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:32       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:39         ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:45           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:47             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:49               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:57                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:07                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:14                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:24                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:26                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22  6:33   ` Rusty Russell

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