From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
taka@valinux.co.jp, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] zerocopy NFS updated
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:11:43 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020425171143.GA16982@turbolinux.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020412.213011.45159995.taka@valinux.co.jp> <20020412143559.A25386@wotan.suse.de> <20020412222252.A25184@kushida.apsleyroad.org> <20020412.143150.74519563.davem@redhat.com> <20020413012142.A25295@kushida.apsleyroad.org> <20020413083952.A32648@wotan.suse.de> <m1662vjtil.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> <20020413213700.A17884@wotan.suse.de> <m1zo07ibi3.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> <20020424231153.GM574@matchmail.com>
On Apr 24, 2002 16:11 -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> Actually, with ext3 the only mode IIRC is data=journal that will keep this
> from happening. In ordered or writeback mode there is a window where the
> pages will be zeroed in memory, but not on disk.
>
> Admittedly, the time window is largest in writeback mode, smaller in ordered
> and smallest (non-existant?) in data journaling mode.
One thing you are forgetting is that with data=ordered mode, the inode
itself is not updated until the data has been written to the disk. So
technically you are correct - with ordered mode there is a window where
pages are updated in memory but not on disk, but if you crash during
that window the inode size will be the old size so you will still not be
able to access the un-zero'd data on disk.
It is only with data=writeback that this could be a problem, because
there is no ordering between updating the inode and writing the data
to disk. That's why there is only a real benefit to using
data=writeback for applications like databases and such where the file
size doesn't change and you are writing into the middle of the file.
In many cases, data=ordered is actually faster than data=writeback.
Cheers, Andreas
--
Andreas Dilger
http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2resize/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-04-25 17:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20020410.190550.83626375.taka@valinux.co.jp.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-04-10 19:32 ` [PATCH] zerocopy NFS updated Andi Kleen
2002-04-11 2:30 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-11 6:46 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2002-04-11 6:48 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-11 7:41 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2002-04-11 7:52 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-11 11:38 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2002-04-11 11:36 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-11 18:00 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-04-11 13:16 ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-11 17:36 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-16 0:17 ` Mike Fedyk
2002-04-16 15:37 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-04-11 17:33 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-12 8:10 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2002-04-12 12:30 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2002-04-12 12:35 ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-12 21:22 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-12 21:31 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-13 0:21 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-13 6:39 ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-13 8:01 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2002-04-13 19:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-13 19:37 ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-13 20:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-24 23:11 ` Mike Fedyk
2002-04-25 17:11 ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2002-04-13 18:52 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-04-14 0:07 ` Keith Owens
2002-04-14 8:19 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-04-14 8:40 ` Keith Owens
2002-04-12 21:39 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-15 1:30 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2002-04-15 4:23 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-16 1:03 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2002-04-16 1:41 ` Jakob Østergaard
2002-04-16 2:20 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2002-04-18 5:01 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2002-04-18 7:58 ` Jakob Østergaard
2002-04-18 8:53 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-04-19 3:21 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2002-04-19 9:18 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-04-20 7:47 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2002-04-25 12:37 ` Possible bug with UDP and SO_REUSEADDR. Was " Terje Eggestad
2002-04-26 2:43 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-26 7:38 ` Terje Eggestad
2002-04-29 0:41 ` Possible bug with UDP and SO_REUSEADDR David Schwartz
2002-04-29 8:06 ` Terje Eggestad
2002-04-29 8:44 ` David Schwartz
2002-04-29 10:03 ` Terje Eggestad
2002-04-29 10:38 ` David Schwartz
2002-04-29 14:20 ` Terje Eggestad
[not found] ` <200204192128.QAA24592@popmail.austin.ibm.com>
2002-04-20 10:14 ` [PATCH] zerocopy NFS updated Hirokazu Takahashi
2002-04-20 15:49 ` Andrew Theurer
2002-04-10 10:05 Hirokazu Takahashi
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