From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:25:59 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:25:58 -0400 Received: from nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com ([66.187.233.200]:32881 "EHLO devserv.devel.redhat.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:25:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:25:52 -0400 From: Arjan van de Ven To: Martin Dalecki Cc: Richard Gooch , arjanv@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: kbuild 2.5 is ready for inclusion in the 2.5 kernel Message-ID: <20020502132552.G8073@devserv.devel.redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <3CD13FF3.5020406@evision-ventures.com> <3CD15996.8EB1699F@redhat.com> <200205021559.g42Fxud19755@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> <3CD15CFA.1090208@evision-ventures.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 05:36:26PM +0200, Martin Dalecki wrote: > Użytkownik Richard Gooch napisał: > > Arjan van de Ven writes: > > > >>someone using perl to replace the built-in kernel version in the .o > >>file) > > > > > > Oh, my! Do people really do that?!? > > Yes they do, if they wont for example to get some > PCTEL win chip driver working. No matter what Alan and some others > think is good for them :-). > > The main problem with mod-versions is the simple fact > that policy doesn't belong in to the kernel it belongs > in the user space. And mod-version is *just policy*. > > See... if some impaired project manager at some > linux distro provider associated with hats, > who does decisions like for example basing the main OS > configuration tools on instable programming languages > like python or perl... does decide that he needs > the functionality of MODULEVERSIONS to get full controll about the > users of his crappy product. Why the hell doesn't he let all this > version checking be done for his own kernel cook-up entierly in > his patched mod-utils? And entierly in USER SPACE? He does > have the full scope of things which need the bless of versioning > over them at his hands and there is *no technical* argument why this > should be done in kernel space at all! Thank you for this insult and welcome to my .procmailrc Oh and please don't forget your medicine tomorrow as you did today.. > It just DOES NOT BELONG in to the kernel-space. That's why it's done by modutils.