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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cantab.net>
Cc: Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Neil Conway <nconway.list@ukaea.org.uk>,
	Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 61
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:16:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020515061654.GC11948@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E177dYp-00083c-00@the-village.bc.nu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020514202811.01fcc1d0@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk>

On Tue, May 14 2002, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
> At 15:30 14/05/02, Martin Dalecki wrote:
> >Uz.ytkownik Alan Cox napisa?:
> >>I think you are way off base. If you have a single queue for both hda and
> >>hdb then requests will get dumped into that in a way that processing that
> >>queue implicitly does the ordering you require.
> >>From an abstract hardware point of view each ide controller is a queue not
> >>each device. Not following that is I think the cause of much of the 
> >>existing
> >>pain and suffering.
> >
> >Yes thinking about it longer and longer I tend to the same conclusion,
> >that we just shouldn't have per device queue but per channel queues 
> >instead.
> >The only problem here is the fact that some device properties
> >are attached to the queue right now. Like for example sector size and 
> >friends.
> >
> >I didn't have a too deep look in to the generic blk layer. But I would
> >rather expect that since the lower layers are allowed to pass
> >an spin lock up to the queue intialization, sharing a spin lock
> >between two request queues should just serialize them with respect to
> >each other. And this is precisely what 63 does.
> 
> Hi Martin,
> 
> instead of having per channel queue, you could have per device queue, but 
> use the same lock for both, i.e. don't make the lock part of "struct queue" 
> (or whatever it is called) but instead make the address of the lock be 
> attached to "struct queue".

See request_queue_t, the lock can already be shared. And in fact the ide
layer used a global ide_lock shared between all queues until just
recently.

> Further if a controller is truly broken and you need to synchronize 
> multiple channels you could share the lock among those.

Again, this is not enough! The lock will only, at best, serialize direct
queue actions. So I can share a lock between queue A and B and only one
of them will start a request at any given time, but as soon as request X
is started for queue A, then we can happily start request Y for queue B.

This is what the hwgroup busy flag protects right now, only one queue is
allowed to mark the hwgroup busy naturally. So only when request X for
queue A completes will the hwgroup busy flag be cleared, and queue B can
start request Y.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2002-05-15  6:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-05-14  9:49 [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 61 Neil Conway
2002-05-14  8:52 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 10:12   ` Neil Conway
2002-05-14  9:30     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 11:10       ` Neil Conway
2002-05-14 10:21         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 11:38           ` Russell King
2002-05-14 10:49             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 12:10             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-14 11:11               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 12:47                 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-14 12:30                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 14:43                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-14 12:00               ` Russell King
2002-05-14 11:03                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 13:03               ` Neil Conway
2002-05-14 13:27                 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-14 14:45                 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-14 14:30                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 16:20                     ` Neil Conway
2002-05-14 16:32                       ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-14 16:47                         ` Neil Conway
2002-05-14 16:51                           ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-15 11:37                             ` Neil Conway
2002-05-14 22:51                           ` Mike Fedyk
2002-05-14 16:26                     ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-14 19:34                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-15  6:16                       ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2002-05-15  8:32                         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-15  9:42                           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15  9:32                       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 11:44                         ` Neil Conway
2002-05-15 11:02                           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 13:10                             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-15 13:34                               ` Neil Conway
2002-05-15 13:04                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 14:08                               ` benh
2002-05-15 16:40                         ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-15 11:55                           ` Neil Conway
2002-05-17  7:07                             ` Mike Fedyk
2002-05-17 11:06                               ` Neil Conway
2002-05-17 10:12                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 16:03                   ` Neil Conway
2002-05-14 16:46                     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-14 12:52       ` Daniela Engert
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-05-06  3:53 Linux-2.5.14 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-13  9:48 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 61 Martin Dalecki

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