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From: Erik Andersen <andersen@codepoet.org>
To: Robert Schwebel <robert@schwebel.de>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)]
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 18:48:53 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020526004853.GA18679@codepoet.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205250152110.15928-100000@hawkeye.luckynet.adm> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205251015350.6515-100000@home.transmeta.com> <20020526005827.B598@schwebel.de>

On Sun May 26, 2002 at 12:58:27AM +0200, Robert Schwebel wrote:
> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 10:22:00AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > So you split your problem into the RT device driver and the user. And of
> > story. 
> 
> Not possible with closed loop applications.  

Indeed.  For example -- suppose I have an application that is driving a
robot.  My application needs to calculate the target values for
each joint position in such that I can plot out the jerk,
acceleration, velocity, and position in cartesian space of a tool
moving in joint space (i.e. lots of 4x4 matrix multiplications,
often involving a full 3D model of the workcell) And I need to
send each new set of target values to the controller at the servo
rate or the robot will stutter.  

But if only it were that easy...  Since the target values we are
talking about is actually just the amount of current being sent
to the servo motors.  So also at the servo rate, I must read the
encoders for each joint to get its actual position (as opposed to
nominal postition) and feed that into a control routine
(typically using a PID routine using PID gains that vary
non-linearly per arm position, intertial loading, phase of the
moon, etc) which then varies the actual per-axis servo motor
current  to make the cartesian-space path of the tool match the
nominal path.

So now we have a full 3D model of the robot, the non-liner model
of the robot PID-gain space, the entire (application specific)
workcell model, the robot specific forward and inverse kinematics
routines, and the entire trajectory planning subsystem.  And of
course we now need the real-time IO subsystem to handle are the
thousands of this-and-that sensors (think PLC-type behavior).
etc, etc, etc.  All this in the kernel?  Nah...

 -Erik

--
Erik B. Andersen             http://codepoet-consulting.com/
--This message was written using 73% post-consumer electrons--

  reply	other threads:[~2002-05-26  0:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 179+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204292127480.1709-100000@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found] ` <3CEDF94C.592636A6@kegel.com>
     [not found]   ` <3CEDFCED.D10CD618@zip.com.au>
     [not found]     ` <3CEE806D.D52FBEA5@kegel.com>
2002-05-24 20:26       ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-24 21:18         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-24 21:18         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-24 21:46           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-24 23:05             ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-24 23:22               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-24 23:53                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-25  4:31                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25  4:44                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25  5:20                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25  5:39                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25  6:05                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25  7:59                         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-05-25 16:14                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 16:20                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 16:25                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 16:41                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 22:47                                   ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26  1:06                                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-26  5:45                                       ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 17:47                               ` Kurt Wall
2002-05-25 18:13                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 19:21                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 18:32                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 18:38                                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-05-25 17:22                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 17:49                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 20:07                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 20:29                                 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-26  2:53                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26  2:17                                     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-25 20:53                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 21:19                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 17:50                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 18:02                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 18:26                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 18:44                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 19:04                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 19:52                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 20:36                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 20:51                                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 21:05                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 21:20                                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 21:23                                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26  2:46                                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26  3:33                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 21:44                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 23:16                                             ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                                               ` <200205260255.g4Q2tkM62553@saturn.cs.uml.edu>
2002-05-26  5:48                                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-27  5:28                                               ` Calin A. Culianu
2002-05-27 22:12                                                 ` Mark Mielke
2002-05-25 21:14                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26  2:09                                         ` David Schleef
2002-05-26  3:17                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26  3:45                                             ` David Schleef
2002-05-26  4:03                                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 19:40                                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26 19:06                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 20:17                                                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-26 20:33                                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 21:33                                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26 20:44                                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26  9:13                                               ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)]y Der Herr Hofrat
2002-05-26 14:13                                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 16:31                                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26  3:58                                             ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Alexander Viro
2002-05-26  4:13                                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26  7:30                                                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-26 14:42                                                   ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 16:17                                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 16:27                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 18:12                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 18:22                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 18:33                                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-05-25 18:45                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 23:27                                     ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 18:44                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 19:14                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 19:41                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 18:30                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 18:52                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 21:22                                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-05-25 21:33                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 21:39                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 21:55                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 22:05                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 22:13                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 22:17                                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 23:10                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 23:54                                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-26  4:05                                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26  6:25                                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 23:56                                             ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26  3:40                                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26  8:05                                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26  8:58                                                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 22:19                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2002-05-25 22:34                                         ` Erwin Rol
2002-05-25 23:17                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 23:37                                         ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 23:46                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26  0:01                                             ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 10:11                                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-05-26 13:04                                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-26 13:26                                       ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 14:09                                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-26 14:21                                           ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 15:30                                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-26 16:55                                               ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 18:00                                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 18:29                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 21:45                                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 21:58                                                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-26 22:12                                                         ` Erwin Rol
2002-05-26 22:34                                                         ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 22:07                                                       ` Mark Mielke
2002-05-26 22:18                                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 18:20                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-26 15:58                                             ` Nicholas Knight
2002-05-27  2:42                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 22:58                             ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26  0:48                               ` Erik Andersen [this message]
2002-05-26  5:31                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 10:19                                   ` Erik Andersen
2002-05-25  6:08                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25  4:48                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25  5:00                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25  9:02                       ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 17:34                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-05-24 23:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25  3:13                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25  3:25                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25  3:46                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25  4:08                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25  4:25                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25  4:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25  5:53                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25  4:52                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25  9:08                     ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 17:27                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 20:30                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-26  2:51                           ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26  4:11                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-26 19:37                               ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26 20:05                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-27 15:27                                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-25 22:33                         ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26  0:07                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 20:34                             ` Pierre Cloutier
2002-05-26  0:44                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 21:03                                 ` Pierre Cloutier
2002-05-26  0:39                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-26  3:12                               ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-05-26  4:20                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-26  4:25                                   ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 13:50                                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-05-26  3:28                               ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP - Warning actual technical content yodaiken
2002-05-26  3:36                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26  4:00                                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-26  5:38                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26  1:21                             ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Roman Zippel
2002-05-26  5:44                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-27  4:12                         ` Calin A. Culianu
2002-05-25  9:05                 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25  8:59               ` Realtime Linux Situation Robert Schwebel
2002-05-24 21:57           ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Andreas Dilger
2002-05-24 22:37             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-24 23:09               ` Andreas Dilger
2002-05-27 17:36               ` Siemens powermanagment patent? [was Re: patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)]] Pavel Machek
2002-05-27 21:36                 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-24 21:56         ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Alexander Viro
2002-05-24 22:46         ` Alan Cox
2002-05-24 22:53           ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-27 21:52 Adam J. Richter
2002-05-27 23:26 ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-05-28  6:29 peter
2002-05-28 11:42 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-29 11:25 Robert Kaiser
2002-05-30 22:37 patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17) ] Ed Vance

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