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From: David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>
To: <rml@tech9.net>, Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com>
Cc: <mgix@mgix.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Question about sched_yield()
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:00:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020618180040.AAA21856@shell.webmaster.com@whenever> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1024420400.3090.202.camel@sinai>


>Exactly.  The reason the behavior is odd is not because the sched_yield
>task is getting any CPU, David.  I realize sched_yield is not equivalent
>to blocking.

	Good.

>The reason this behavior is suspect is because the task is receiving a
>similar amount of CPU to tasks that are _not_ yielding but in fact doing
>useful work for the entire duration of their timeslice.

	This is the same error repeated again. Since you realize that an endless 
loop on sched_yield is *not* equivalent to blocking, why do you then say "in 
fact doing useful work"? By what form of ESP is the kernel supposed to 
determine that the sched_yield task is not 'doing useful work' and the other 
task is?

	The kernel doesn't know the loop is endless. For all it knows, as soon as 
another process gets a drop of CPU, the yielding process may be able to 
succeed. And because the yielding process is being nice (by yielding), it 
should get better and better treatment over processes that are burning CPU 
rather than yielding.

>A task that continually uses its timeslice vs one that yields should
>easily receive a greater amount of CPU, but this is not the case.

	Why should the mean task get preferential treatment over the nice task when 
both are always ready-to-run?

	DS



  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-18 18:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-15 22:15 Question about sched_yield() mgix
2002-06-16 14:43 ` [patch] " Ingo Molnar
2002-06-18  0:46 ` David Schwartz
2002-06-18  0:55   ` Robert Love
2002-06-18  1:51     ` mgix
2002-06-18  3:18     ` David Schwartz
2002-06-18  9:36     ` David Schwartz
2002-06-18 16:58       ` Chris Friesen
2002-06-18 17:12         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-06-18 17:19           ` mgix
2002-06-18 18:01             ` David Schwartz
2002-06-18 18:05               ` mgix
2002-06-18 19:11                 ` David Schwartz
2002-06-18 16:58                   ` Rob Landley
2002-06-18 19:25                   ` Robert Love
2002-06-18 19:53                     ` David Schwartz
2002-06-18 20:12                       ` mgix
2002-06-18 20:42                         ` David Schwartz
2002-06-18 20:47                           ` mgix
2002-06-18 22:00                             ` David Schwartz
2002-06-18 22:28                           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-06-18 20:08                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-06-19 11:10                     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-06-19 12:04                       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-06-18 22:43               ` Olivier Galibert
2002-06-18 18:21             ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-06-18 17:13         ` Robert Love
2002-06-18 18:00           ` David Schwartz [this message]
2002-06-18 22:45             ` Stevie O
2002-06-19  2:11               ` David Schwartz
2002-06-19  2:52                 ` Stevie O
2002-06-20 20:31               ` David Schwartz
2002-06-18 17:23         ` Rik van Riel
2002-06-18 17:50           ` Chris Friesen
2002-06-18  1:41   ` mgix
2002-06-18  3:21     ` David Schwartz
2002-06-18  3:52       ` mgix
2002-06-18  4:55   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-06-19 11:24     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-06-19 11:47       ` scheduler timeslice distribution, threads, processes. [was: Re: Question about sched_yield()] Ingo Molnar
2002-06-18 18:56   ` Question about sched_yield() Rusty Russell
2002-06-18 19:12     ` David Schwartz
2002-06-18 20:19       ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-18 20:40         ` David Schwartz
2002-06-18 20:42         ` mgix
2002-06-18 22:03           ` David Schwartz
2002-06-18 22:36           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-06-19 11:29     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-06-19 14:03       ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-19 22:25         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-06-19 22:37           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-06-19  2:10   ` jw schultz

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