OLS talk/BOF

OLS talk/BOF

[Larry McVoy]

Andrew Hutton, the guy doing all the hard work organizing OLS, told me
there is an open slot because a speaker canceled.  I'm wondering if there
would be any interest in filling that slot, which is 14:45 on Wednesday.
If you are going to OLS and any of these interest you, check off the
one you want and drop me a mail.  Thanks.

[ ] Cort and I could talk about the OS clustering stuff which has been 
    discussed on the list recently.  If there are a handful of people 
    who want to talk about this, this would be my first choice.  My 
    goal is to make as many people as possible understand what it is
    that I mean, it's more subtle than it looks, Linus didn't understand
    for years that there was shared memory between the OS instances, which
    gives me a hint that maybe I've done a poor job of explaining things.

[ ] 6 months of kernel development in BitKeeper, what worked, what doesn't.
    I can do status, talk about what I know needs work, but I'm most 
    interested in hearing users complaints.  If the same things emerge
    over and over, that's a strong indication of what we need to fix.
    I'm also interested in hearing about whether bkbits.net is working
    well for you, we're thinking about adding another T1 line and I want
    to know if people want that or not.

[ ] BK tutorial.  Andrew indicated that there was a fair amount of interest
    in this.  

[ ] BitKeeper licensing, why it is the way it is.  Richard Gooch had a private
    converation with me at the end of which he said "You need to go to OLS and
    tell people what you told me, the model makes a lot more sense after 
    hearing that".  I understand that the BK licensing model is not well
    loved but it might be less hated if you understood that it is a good
    faith attempt to make things work for everyone.  I think that Richard's
    point was that that was a lot more clear after talking to me.

[ ] No talk, just free beer.  I'll buy :)

See you next week,
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Larry McVoy            	 lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm 

Re: OLS talk/BOF

[Dave Jones]

On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 04:15:36PM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:

 > [ ] Cort and I could talk about the OS clustering stuff which has been 
 >     discussed on the list recently.  If there are a handful of people 
 >     who want to talk about this, this would be my first choice.  My 
 >     goal is to make as many people as possible understand what it is
 >     that I mean, it's more subtle than it looks, Linus didn't understand
 >     for years that there was shared memory between the OS instances, which
 >     gives me a hint that maybe I've done a poor job of explaining things.

Always interesting, and if there's nothing clashing of more interest
to me, count me in.

 > [ ] 6 months of kernel development in BitKeeper, what worked, what doesn't.
 >     I can do status, talk about what I know needs work, but I'm most 
 >     interested in hearing users complaints.  If the same things emerge
 >     over and over, that's a strong indication of what we need to fix.
 >     I'm also interested in hearing about whether bkbits.net is working
 >     well for you, we're thinking about adding another T1 line and I want
 >     to know if people want that or not.

Some crossover with my talk at OLS here. As we've until wednesday, if
this is the route you decide to take, let me know, and we'll compare
slides etc to make sure we're not repeating.. I'll also be happy to 
help out here if need be.

 > [ ] BK tutorial.  Andrew indicated that there was a fair amount of interest
 >     in this.  

Probably lots of crossover with Val Hensons talk, but probably still
worthwhile.

 > [ ] BitKeeper licensing, why it is the way it is.  Richard Gooch had a private
 >     converation with me at the end of which he said "You need to go to OLS and
 >     tell people what you told me, the model makes a lot more sense after 
 >     hearing that".  I understand that the BK licensing model is not well
 >     loved but it might be less hated if you understood that it is a good
 >     faith attempt to make things work for everyone.  I think that Richard's
 >     point was that that was a lot more clear after talking to me.

Again, probably a good talk but covered (in part) by my talk, and
possibly by Val's.  I've no doubt that we'll all meet up between now and
Wednesday at some point, and have lots to discuss, and hopefully decide
on something that's mutually agreeable without repetition between the
various talks..

 > [ ] No talk, just free beer.  I'll buy :)

I'll vote twice for this one, in an attempt to swing the balance.


        Dave

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| SuSE Labs

Re: OLS talk/BOF

[Larry McVoy]

On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 03:27:24AM +0200, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 04:15:36PM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
> 
>  > [ ] Cort and I could talk about the OS clustering stuff which has been 
>  >     discussed on the list recently.  If there are a handful of people 
>  >     who want to talk about this, this would be my first choice.  My 
>  >     goal is to make as many people as possible understand what it is
>  >     that I mean, it's more subtle than it looks, Linus didn't understand
>  >     for years that there was shared memory between the OS instances, which
>  >     gives me a hint that maybe I've done a poor job of explaining things.
> 
> Always interesting, and if there's nothing clashing of more interest
> to me, count me in.

Cool, we have a winner.  With a few exceptions, everyone wants this one.
Other than free beer, it seems like the other topics are covered.
I'll try and get people aware of the topic, I'd like Paul M to be there
as well as Ted Tso, they both seem to have thought pretty hard about it.
Jeff Dike is another good candidate, the UML layer and this have some
good synergy.  Cort is actually coding stuff up to implement this, so
I'm going to twist Victor's arm to send him...

Let's make it a BOF, I'll talk long enough that people get the idea and 
then you can all play devil's advocate.  I'll send mail to Andrew.

>  > [ ] No talk, just free beer.  I'll buy :)
> 
> I'll vote twice for this one, in an attempt to swing the balance.

We'll spill over into the evening if things get rolling (or even if they
don't).

Cheers,
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Larry McVoy            	 lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm 

Re: OLS talk/BOF

[Jeff Dike]

lm@bitmover.com said:
> Jeff Dike is another good candidate, the UML layer and this have some
> good synergy.

Sure, I can be there.  This sort of thing generally has cool uses in userspace
above just being a development platform for physical boxes.

				Jeff