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From: "J.A. Magallon" <jamagallon@able.es>
To: "Craig I. Hagan" <hagan@cih.com>
Cc: Sandy Harris <pashley@storm.ca>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux, the microkernel (was Re: latest linus-2.5 BK broken)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:06:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020624130612.GA1770@werewolf.able.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206232323250.20806-100000@svr.cih.com>; from hagan@cih.com on Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 08:27:00 +0200


On 2002.06.24 Craig I. Hagan wrote:
>> Also, it isn't as clear that clustering experience applies. Are clusters
>> that size built hierachically? Is a 1024-CPU Beowulf practical, and if so
>> do you build it as a Beowulf of 32 32-CPU Beowulfs? Is something analogous
>> required in the OSlet approach? would it work?
>
>a system of that size has many "practical" applications. It *can* be done
>without partitioning it into a tree hierarchy, however, you will need a very
>capable interconnect (quadrics and myrinet come to mind). Tt that you'll have a
>tiered switching hierarchy even if the nodes are presented in a flat layer.
>
>IMHO nearly any level of breakout for grid computing (basically a cluster
>hierarchy) starts to become interesting as a function of your app/problem size
>and how many simultanous jobs you are running.
>
>Of course, we can stop and hit reality for a second: not many people can afford
>a 1024 cpu cluster, hence the proliferation of smaller ones ;)
>

You do not have to go so far. Take a simple cluster of dual Xeon boxes (ie, 
4 'cpus' per box). Current clustering software (MPI, PVM) is not ready to
handle a 2-level hierarchy, one with slow communications over tcp and a lower
level working as a shared-memory thread-able cluster.
It would not be so strange nowadays (nor too much expensive) to have a 8-16
nodes with 4 cpus each.

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-24 13:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-18 17:18 latest linus-2.5 BK broken James Simmons
2002-06-18 17:46 ` Robert Love
2002-06-18 18:51   ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-18 18:43     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-06-18 18:56     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-18 18:59       ` Robert Love
2002-06-18 20:05       ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-18 20:05         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-18 20:31           ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-18 20:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-18 21:12               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-06-18 21:08                 ` Cort Dougan
2002-06-18 21:47                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-19 12:29                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-06-19 17:27                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20  3:57                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-06-20  5:24                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-06-20  7:26                             ` Andreas Dilger
2002-06-20 14:54                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-06-20 15:41                             ` McVoy's Clusters (was Re: latest linus-2.5 BK broken) Sandy Harris
2002-06-20 17:10                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-06-20 20:42                                 ` Timothy D. Witham
2002-06-21  5:16                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-06-22 14:14                               ` Kai Henningsen
2002-06-20 16:30                           ` latest linus-2.5 BK broken Cort Dougan
2002-06-20 17:15                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-21  6:15                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-06-21 17:50                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-06-21 17:55                                   ` Robert Love
2002-06-21 18:09                                   ` Linux, the microkernel (was Re: latest linus-2.5 BK broken) Jeff Garzik
2002-06-21 18:46                                     ` Cort Dougan
2002-06-21 20:25                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-06-22  1:07                                         ` Horst von Brand
2002-06-22  1:23                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-06-22 12:41                                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-06-23 15:15                                             ` Sandy Harris
2002-06-23 17:29                                               ` Jakob Oestergaard
2002-06-24  6:27                                               ` Craig I. Hagan
2002-06-24 13:06                                                 ` J.A. Magallon [this message]
2002-06-24 10:59                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-06-21 19:34                                     ` Rob Landley
2002-06-22 15:31                                       ` Alan Cox
2002-06-22 12:24                                         ` Rob Landley
2002-06-22 19:00                                           ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
2002-06-22 21:09                                         ` jdow
2002-06-23 17:56                                           ` John Alvord
2002-06-23 20:48                                             ` jdow
2002-06-23 21:40                                         ` [OT] " Xavier Bestel
2002-06-22 18:25                                   ` latest linus-2.5 BK broken Eric W. Biederman
2002-06-22 19:26                                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-06-22 22:25                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-06-22 23:10                                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-06-23  6:34                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-06-23 22:56                                       ` Kai Henningsen
2002-06-20 17:16                             ` RW Hawkins
2002-06-20 17:23                               ` Cort Dougan
2002-06-20 20:40                             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-20 20:53                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 21:27                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-20 21:37                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 21:59                                     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-20 22:18                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 22:41                                         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-21  0:09                                           ` Allen Campbell
2002-06-21  7:43                                       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-06-21 21:02                                       ` Rob Landley
2002-06-22  3:57                                         ` (RFC)i386 arch autodetect( was Re: latest linus-2.5 BK broken ) Matthew D. Pitts
2002-06-22  4:54                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-06-21 16:01                                     ` Re: latest linus-2.5 BK broken Sandy Harris
2002-06-21 20:38                                   ` Rob Landley
2002-06-20 21:13                               ` Timothy D. Witham
2002-06-21 19:53                               ` Rob Landley
2002-06-21  5:34                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-06-19 10:21                   ` Padraig Brady
2002-06-18 21:45                 ` Bill Huey
2002-06-18 20:55             ` Robert Love
2002-06-19 13:31               ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-18 19:29     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-06-18 19:19       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-06-18 19:49         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-06-18 19:27           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-06-18 20:13       ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-18 20:21         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-18 22:03         ` Ingo Molnar

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