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From: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
To: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
Cc: Linux-Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Stephen Tweedie <sct@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [OKS] Module removal
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:37:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020702123718.A4711@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1020701133907.23769A-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.com>; from davidsen@tmr.com on Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 01:48:55PM -0400

Hi,

> The suggestion was made that kernel module removal be depreciated or
> removed. I'd like to note that there are two common uses for this
> capability, and the problems addressed by module removal should be kept in
> mind. These are in addition to the PCMCIA issue raised.
 
> 1 - conversion between IDE-CD and IDE-SCSI. Some applications just work
> better (or usefully at all) with one or the other driver used to read CDs.

The proposal was to deprecate module removal, *not* to deprecate
dynamic registration of devices.  If you want to maintain the above
functionality, then there's no reason why a device can't be
deregistered from one driver and reregistered on another while both
drivers are present.  Note that the scsi stack already allows you to
dynamically register and deregister specific targets on the fly.

> 2 - restarting NICs when total reinitialization is needed. In server
> applications it's sometimes necessary to move or clear a NIC connection,
> force renegotiation because the blade on the switch was set wrong, etc.
> It's preferable to take down one NIC for a moment than suffer a full
> outage via reboot.

Again, you might want to do this even with a non-modular driver, or if
you had one module driving two separate NICs --- the shutdown of one
card shouldn't necessarily require the removal of the module code from
the kernel, which is all Rusty was talking about doing.

Cheers,
 Stephen

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-07-02 11:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-01 17:48 [OKS] Module removal Bill Davidsen
2002-07-01 18:35 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-01 18:42 ` Jose Luis Domingo Lopez
2002-07-01 18:45   ` Shawn
2002-07-01 19:57 ` Diego Calleja
2002-07-01 20:03   ` Diego Calleja
2002-07-01 22:20   ` Jose Luis Domingo Lopez
2002-07-01 22:56   ` Ryan Anderson
2002-07-02 11:37 ` Stephen C. Tweedie [this message]
2002-07-02 12:04   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-02 13:13     ` jlnance
2002-07-03  3:48     ` simple handling of module removals " Pavel Machek
2002-07-03 17:25       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-03 23:46       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-08 12:21         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-08 12:41           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-08 12:57             ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-08 13:58               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-08 15:48                 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2002-07-08 17:23                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-08 13:06           ` Keith Owens
2002-07-08 13:15             ` Keith Owens
2002-07-03 23:48       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-05  9:40         ` Stephen Tweedie
2002-07-06 19:40           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-06 19:47             ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-04  1:18       ` Keith Owens
2002-07-04  1:53         ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-04  4:00           ` Keith Owens
2002-07-04  2:25         ` Brian Gerst
2002-07-04  3:54           ` David Gibson
2002-07-04  4:08           ` Keith Owens
2002-07-04 15:02             ` Brian Gerst
2002-07-04 19:18               ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-05 13:48         ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-07 14:56           ` Keith Owens
2002-07-07 22:36             ` Roman Zippel
2002-07-08  1:09             ` Daniel Mose
2002-07-09 17:07               ` Daniel Mose
2002-07-08 18:13             ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-08 22:43               ` Keith Owens
2002-07-09 14:00                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-02 15:20   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-02 15:53     ` Jonathan Corbet
2002-07-02 16:07       ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-02 17:48         ` Tom Rini
2002-07-02 18:10           ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-02 21:50             ` Ryan Anderson
2002-07-03 22:26               ` Diego Calleja
2002-07-04  0:00                 ` Keith Owens
2002-07-04  8:04               ` Helge Hafting
2002-07-02 16:08     ` Werner Almesberger
     [not found]   ` <Pine.LNX.3.95.1020702075957.24872A-100000@chaos.analogic.c om>
2002-07-04  8:36     ` Mike Galbraith
2002-07-03  0:09 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-07-12 21:51 ` David Lang
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-02  4:08 RE2: " Brian Gerst
2002-07-02  4:53 ` Keith Owens
2002-07-02  5:43   ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-02 16:36     ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-02 16:50       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-02 18:05         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-03  3:50         ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-04  4:11       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-04  6:29         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-04  6:50           ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-07 21:09             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-07-07 21:41               ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-08  0:31                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-07-08  6:42                   ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-08  0:18               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-08  0:46                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-07-08  6:22                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-08 10:16                     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-09  0:07                   ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-09  0:27                     ` Keith Owens
2002-07-09  3:09                       ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-09  6:25                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-07-09  8:59                         ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-07-09 11:06                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-07-04 12:29           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-09  1:50           ` Kevin O'Connor
2002-07-09  2:37             ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-02 23:35   ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-02 12:20 Ariel Garcia

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