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* Linux 2.5.25-dj2
@ 2002-07-12 22:24 Dave Jones
  2002-07-13 17:26 ` Heinz Diehl
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Dave Jones @ 2002-07-12 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Linux Kernel

A few more items from the pending queue, including the large
IDE patch from Jens and Andre, various updates & cleanups.
Mostly clearing things out of the backlog before I jet off
to Germany for a week..

As usual,..

Patch against 2.5.25 vanilla is available from:
ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/davej/patches/2.5/

Merged patch archive: http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/patches/merged/

Check http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/Linux-2.5.html before reporting
known bugs that are also in mainline.

 -- Davej.

2.5.25-dj2
o   2.4 IDE layer forward port.			(Jens Axboe, Andre Hedrick)
o   Take some of the new input changes from .25
    | by .26, I should be able to go with mainline
    | if merging continues at current rate.
o   More cleanups in the agpgart driver.		(Greg-KH)
o   cpufreq update.					(Dominik Brodowski)
o   Update DMA-mapping documentation.			(Adam J. Richter)
o   Fix problem with Bochs & new MTRR driver.		(Manfred Spraul)
o   Fix i815e agpgart support.				(Nicolas Aspert)
o   Fix lock hang in shm_destroy()			(Hugh Dickins)
o   Various SCSI driver janitor work.			(Michael G. Janicki)
o   Allow booting from non-zero boot CPU.		(Anton Blanchard)
o   ad1848 OSS compile fix.				(Ryan Anderson)
o   cs46xx compile fix.					(Stephen Rothwell)
o   3c509 + non-isapnp compile fix.			(James Morris)
o   i2o proc compile fix.				(Adrian Bunk)
o   aironet compile fix.				(Adrian Bunk)


2.5.25-dj1
o   Fix negative memcpy issue in orinoco driver.	(Russell King)
o   Improvements to i386 machine check handler.		(Andi Kleen)
o   Fix various bitops to use unsigned long's.		(Geert Uytterhoeven)
o   Various network driver init_etherdev cleanups.	(Crutcher Dunnavant)
o   Improved list handling in dcache.c			(Matthew Wilcox)
o   Convert various i2c drivers to new interface.	(Frank Davis,
							 Albert Cranford)
o   Consistent usage of static in keyboard maps.	(Keith Owens)
o   Various typo fixes in ipsysctl docs.		(Edward J. Huff)
o   Region handling cleanup in boardergo isdn.		(William Stinson)
o   Region handling cleanup in baycom hamradio driver.	(William Stinson)
o   PCI DMA update for roadrunner HIPPI driver.		(Francois Romieu)
o   RPC recieve cleanup.				(Trond Myklebust)
o   Fix potential O_DIRECT oops.			(Andrew Morton)
o   Fix module creation off-by-one's.			(Peter Oberparleiter)
o   airo, aztcd & sonycd compile fixes.			(Martin Dalecki)
o   Fix misleading tlb flush comment.			(Manik Raina)
o   PCI DMA update for tlan (and misc cleanup)		(Francois Romieu)
o   Cleanup suspend code not to need prototypes.	(Pavel Machek)
o   Numerous pci_enable_device() cleanups.		(Michael G. Janicki)
o   Fix garbage in /proc/partitions.			(Peter Chubb)
o   agpgart compile fix.				(Manfred Spraul)
o   fatfs crapectomy.					(Christoph Hellwig)
o   Don't advise to make dep when not needed.		(Christoph Hellwig)
-- 
| Dave Jones.        http://www.codemonkey.org.uk
| SuSE Labs

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* Re: Linux 2.5.25-dj2
  2002-07-12 22:24 Linux 2.5.25-dj2 Dave Jones
@ 2002-07-13 17:26 ` Heinz Diehl
  2002-07-13 17:47   ` Ben Clifford
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Heinz Diehl @ 2002-07-13 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-kernel; +Cc: davej

On Fri Jul 12 2002, Dave Jones wrote:

[....]

  gcc -Wp,-MD,./.ide-scsi24.o.d -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include
  -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing
  -fno-common -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2
  -march=k6 -nostdinc -iwithprefix include
  -DKBUILD_BASENAME=ide_scsi24-c -o ide-scsi24.o ide-scsi24.c
  ide-scsi24.c:847: unknown field abort' specified in initializer
  ide-scsi24.c:847: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
  ide-scsi24.c:848: unknown field reset' specified in initializer
  ide-scsi24.c:848: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
  make[3]: *** [ide-scsi24.o] Error 1
  make[3]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi'
  make[2]: *** [scsi] Error 2
  make[2]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux/drivers'
  make[1]: *** [drivers] Error 2
  make[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux'
  make: *** [bzImage] Error 2
  chiara:/usr/src/linux #

-- 
# Heinz Diehl, 68259 Mannheim, Germany

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* Re: Linux 2.5.25-dj2
  2002-07-13 17:26 ` Heinz Diehl
@ 2002-07-13 17:47   ` Ben Clifford
  2002-07-14  9:55     ` Dave Jones
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ben Clifford @ 2002-07-13 17:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Heinz Diehl; +Cc: linux-kernel, davej

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On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Heinz Diehl wrote:

> From: Heinz Diehl <hd@cavy.de>

You beat me to it by a few minutes - I was just about to post that I am
experiencing the same error.

> 
>   gcc -Wp,-MD,./.ide-scsi24.o.d -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include
>   -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing
>   -fno-common -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2
>   -march=k6 -nostdinc -iwithprefix include
>   -DKBUILD_BASENAME=ide_scsi24-c -o ide-scsi24.o ide-scsi24.c
>   ide-scsi24.c:847: unknown field abort' specified in initializer
>   ide-scsi24.c:847: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
>   ide-scsi24.c:848: unknown field reset' specified in initializer
>   ide-scsi24.c:848: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
>   make[3]: *** [ide-scsi24.o] Error 1
>   make[3]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi'
>   make[2]: *** [scsi] Error 2
>   make[2]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux/drivers'
>   make[1]: *** [drivers] Error 2
>   make[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux'
>   make: *** [bzImage] Error 2
>   chiara:/usr/src/linux #
> 
> 

- -- 
Ben Clifford     benc@hawaga.org.uk     GPG: 30F06950
http://www.hawaga.org.uk/ben/
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* Re: Linux 2.5.25-dj2
  2002-07-13 17:47   ` Ben Clifford
@ 2002-07-14  9:55     ` Dave Jones
  2002-07-14 11:11       ` Heinz Diehl
  2002-07-14 21:49       ` Ben Clifford
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Dave Jones @ 2002-07-14  9:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ben Clifford; +Cc: Heinz Diehl, linux-kernel

On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 10:47:40AM -0700, Ben Clifford wrote:
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 > >   ide-scsi24.c:847: unknown field abort' specified in initializer
 > >   ide-scsi24.c:847: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
 > >   ide-scsi24.c:848: unknown field reset' specified in initializer
 > >   ide-scsi24.c:848: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type

Just kill those lines.

        Dave

-- 
| Dave Jones.        http://www.codemonkey.org.uk
| SuSE Labs

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* Re: Linux 2.5.25-dj2
  2002-07-14  9:55     ` Dave Jones
@ 2002-07-14 11:11       ` Heinz Diehl
  2002-07-14 20:30         ` Ben Clifford
  2002-07-14 20:50         ` Tim Schmielau
  2002-07-14 21:49       ` Ben Clifford
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Heinz Diehl @ 2002-07-14 11:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Jones; +Cc: benc, linux-kernel

On Sun Jul 14 2002, Dave Jones wrote:

>  > >   ide-scsi24.c:847: unknown field abort' specified in initializer
>  > >   ide-scsi24.c:847: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
>  > >   ide-scsi24.c:848: unknown field reset' specified in initializer
>  > >   ide-scsi24.c:848: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
 
> Just kill those lines.

This leads to:

make[2]: Entering directory /usr/src/linux/init'
Generating /usr/src/linux/include/linux/compile.h (updated)
gcc -Wp,-MD,./.version.o.d -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall
-Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing
-fno-common -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2
-march=k6 -nostdinc -iwithprefix include    -DKBUILD_BASENAME=version
-c -o version.o version.c
ld -m elf_i386  -r -o init.o main.o version.o do_mounts.o
make[2]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux/init'
ld -m elf_i386 -T arch/i386/vmlinux.lds -e stext
arch/i386/kernel/head.o arch/i386/kernel/init_task.o init/init.o
--start-group arch/i386/kernel/kernel.o arch/i386/mm/mm.o
kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o fs/fs.o ipc/ipc.o
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/lib/lib.a lib/lib.a
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/lib/lib.a drivers/built-in.o
sound/sound.o arch/i386/pci/pci.o net/network.o --end-group -o vmlinux
fs/fs.o: In function proc_pid_stat':
fs/fs.o(.text+0x21a29): undefined reference to __udivdi3'
fs/fs.o: In function kstat_read_proc':
fs/fs.o(.text+0x22a7b): undefined reference to __udivdi3'
fs/fs.o(.text+0x22b11): undefined reference to __udivdi3'
make[1]: *** [vmlinux] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux'
make: *** [bzImage] Error 2
chiara:/usr/src/linux #
	 
-- 
# Heinz Diehl, 68259 Mannheim, Germany

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* Re: Linux 2.5.25-dj2
  2002-07-14 11:11       ` Heinz Diehl
@ 2002-07-14 20:30         ` Ben Clifford
  2002-07-14 20:50         ` Tim Schmielau
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ben Clifford @ 2002-07-14 20:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Heinz Diehl; +Cc: Dave Jones, linux-kernel

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On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Heinz Diehl wrote:

> > Just kill those lines.
> 
> This leads to:

That happens even if you don't kill those lines. I have ide-scsi as a 
module and if I say "make bzImage modules" I get the SCSI error handling 
error, and if I just say "make bzImage" I get the __udivdi3 error.

The only occurence of __udvidi3 in source code seems to be in the 
arch-specific directories (and not the i386 one - which I am using). 

Looks like it is being referenced somehow in the procfs .o files (but not 
procfs source)

- -- 
Ben Clifford     benc@hawaga.org.uk     GPG: 30F06950
http://www.hawaga.org.uk/ben/

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* Re: Linux 2.5.25-dj2
  2002-07-14 11:11       ` Heinz Diehl
  2002-07-14 20:30         ` Ben Clifford
@ 2002-07-14 20:50         ` Tim Schmielau
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Tim Schmielau @ 2002-07-14 20:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Heinz Diehl; +Cc: Ben Clifford, lkml

On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Heinz Diehl wrote:

> This leads to:
...
> fs/fs.o: In function proc_pid_stat':
> fs/fs.o(.text+0x21a29): undefined reference to __udivdi3'
> fs/fs.o: In function kstat_read_proc':
> fs/fs.o(.text+0x22a7b): undefined reference to __udivdi3'
> fs/fs.o(.text+0x22b11): undefined reference to __udivdi3'
> make[1]: *** [vmlinux] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux'
> make: *** [bzImage] Error 2
> chiara:/usr/src/linux #


known problem, a fix has been posted to the list already
or can be found at
http://www.physik3.uni-rostock.de/tim/kernel/2.5/jiffies64-djfix06.patch.gz

Tim


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* Re: Linux 2.5.25-dj2
  2002-07-14  9:55     ` Dave Jones
  2002-07-14 11:11       ` Heinz Diehl
@ 2002-07-14 21:49       ` Ben Clifford
  2002-07-14 23:28         ` Dave Jones
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ben Clifford @ 2002-07-14 21:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Jones; +Cc: Heinz Diehl, linux-kernel

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On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Dave Jones wrote:

>  > >   ide-scsi24.c:847: unknown field abort' specified in initializer
>  > >   ide-scsi24.c:847: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
>  > >   ide-scsi24.c:848: unknown field reset' specified in initializer
>  > >   ide-scsi24.c:848: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
> 
> Just kill those lines.

So I killed those lines (and applied the patch supplied by Tim Schmielau).

My ide-cd module was loaded automatically at boot.
I loaded the ide-scsi24 module (which didn't detect anything because the 
ide-cd module already had both the CD-ROM and CD-RW drives).
So I rmmoded ide-cd and ide-scsi24.
Then I modprobed ide-scsi and got two oopses in quick succession which 
locked up the machine :-(

Anyone else have any luck with ide-scsi24?

More details to follow.

- -- 
Ben Clifford     benc@hawaga.org.uk     GPG: 30F06950
http://www.hawaga.org.uk/ben/


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* Re: Linux 2.5.25-dj2
  2002-07-14 21:49       ` Ben Clifford
@ 2002-07-14 23:28         ` Dave Jones
  2002-07-15  0:20           ` Ben Clifford
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Dave Jones @ 2002-07-14 23:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ben Clifford; +Cc: Heinz Diehl, linux-kernel

On Sun, Jul 14, 2002 at 02:49:31PM -0700, Ben Clifford wrote:
 > My ide-cd module was loaded automatically at boot.
 > I loaded the ide-scsi24 module (which didn't detect anything because the 
 > ide-cd module already had both the CD-ROM and CD-RW drives).
 > So I rmmoded ide-cd and ide-scsi24.
 > Then I modprobed ide-scsi and got two oopses in quick succession which 
 > locked up the machine :-(
 > 
 > Anyone else have any luck with ide-scsi24?

decode oops, post, cc: axboe@suse.de and andre@linux-ide.org

    Dave

-- 
| Dave Jones.        http://www.codemonkey.org.uk
| SuSE Labs

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* Re: Linux 2.5.25-dj2
  2002-07-14 23:28         ` Dave Jones
@ 2002-07-15  0:20           ` Ben Clifford
  2002-07-15  0:43             ` Ben Clifford
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ben Clifford @ 2002-07-15  0:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Jones; +Cc: Heinz Diehl, linux-kernel, axboe, andre

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On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Dave Jones wrote:

>  > Anyone else have any luck with ide-scsi24?
> 
> decode oops, post, cc: axboe@suse.de and andre@linux-ide.org

Here is the first oops - I managed to get it written to disk before the 
second oops occurs (which locks up the machine) a few seconds later.

I captured it by saying:
modprobe ide-scsi24; sleep 3s; dmesg > a.log; sync

As I said about, a second oops occurs about 5 seconds later - in between,
still appers to be responsive (I can type text into a bash prompt), but
the second oops locks the machine up. I'll try and capture that now.

Ben

ksymoops 2.4.4 on i686 2.5.25-dj2+bc.  Options used
     -V (default)
     -k /proc/ksyms (specified)
     -l /proc/modules (default)
     -o /lib/modules/2.5.25-dj2+bc/ (default)
     -m /boot/System.map-2.5.25-dj2+bc (default)

Error (regular_file): read_system_map stat /boot/System.map-2.5.25-dj2+bc failed
Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address d08ff420
d08ff420
*pde = 01334067
Oops: 0000
CPU:    0
EIP:    0010:[<d08ff420>]    Tainted: P  
Using defaults from ksymoops -t elf32-i386 -a i386
EFLAGS: 00010082
eax: d08ff420   ebx: c133f69c   ecx: c02bee74   edx: c02bee74
esi: c02bee74   edi: c02bee74   ebp: 00000206   esp: cb5cfb40
ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
Stack: c01a7014 c02bee74 c133f69c c02bee30 c02bee74 c01af5fa c02bee74 cb5ce000 
       c02bee74 c133f69c 00000003 00000206 c01afd75 c13402dc 00000000 c02bee74 
       c133f69c c02bee74 c13402dc 00000000 00000000 cb5cfba4 cb5cfba4 00000000 
Call Trace: [<c01a7014>] [<c01af5fa>] [<c01afd75>] [<d08fd482>] [<d08e3611>] 
   [<d08e3b40>] [<d08e9e2c>] [<d08e925c>] [<d08e92da>] [<d08e3766>] [<d08e30c0>] 
   [<d08ea7e2>] [<c01a6d1c>] [<c01a732f>] [<d08eb182>] [<d08ea618>] [<c014e993>] 
   [<c014d5ce>] [<c01618d9>] [<c01619cc>] [<c0161990>] [<c014561c>] [<c0145337>] 
   [<c0162280>] [<c016218d>] [<c0184646>] [<c01849c1>] [<c0184c83>] [<d08fdad2>] 
   [<d08e4823>] [<d08f1640>] [<d08fdf84>] [<d08fd55f>] [<d08fdfa0>] [<c0118215>] 
   [<d08fdec4>] [<d08fc060>] [<c0106ebb>] 
Code:  Bad EIP value.

>>EIP; d08ff420 <[ide-cd]ll_10byte_cmd_build+0/d0>   <=====
Trace; c01a7014 <elv_next_request+14/a0>
Trace; c01af5fa <ide_stall_queue+2ca/360>
Trace; c01afd75 <ide_do_drive_cmd+d5/120>
Trace; d08fd482 <[ide-cd]restore_request+22/a0>
Trace; d08e3611 <[scsi_mod]__kstrtab_scsi_driverfs_bus_type+11/f0>
Trace; d08e3b40 <[scsi_mod]scsi_done+0/80>
Trace; d08e9e2c <[scsi_mod]scsi_request_fn+39c/3f0>
Trace; d08e925c <[scsi_mod]__scsi_insert_special+6c/a0>
Trace; d08e92da <[scsi_mod]scsi_insert_special_req+1a/20>
Trace; d08e3766 <[scsi_mod]scsi_wait_req+76/b0>
Trace; d08e30c0 <[scsi_mod]__ksymtab_scsi_ioctl_send_command+0/0>
Trace; d08ea7e2 <[scsi_mod]scan_scsis_single+f2/740>
Trace; c01a6d1c <agp_enable+b19c/b380>
Trace; c01a732f <blk_queue_make_request+5f/90>
Trace; d08eb182 <[scsi_mod]scan_scsis_target+32/170>
Trace; d08ea618 <[scsi_mod]scan_scsis+2c8/3a0>
Trace; c014e993 <new_inode+63/70>
Trace; c014d5ce <d_instantiate+4e/60>
Trace; c01618d9 <wipe_partitions+a89/1260>
Trace; c01619cc <wipe_partitions+b7c/1260>
Trace; c0161990 <wipe_partitions+b40/1260>
Trace; c014561c <vfs_create+ec/7f0>
Trace; c0145337 <lookup_hash+67/90>
Trace; c0162280 <driverfs_create_file+c0/120>
Trace; c016218d <driverfs_create_dir+dd/110>
Trace; c0184646 <put_device+16/a0>
Trace; c01849c1 <device_create_file+71/80>
Trace; c0184c83 <device_remove_file+2b3/2d0>
Trace; d08fdad2 <[ide-cd]cdrom_write_intr+1e2/290>
Trace; d08e4823 <[scsi_mod]scsi_register_host+213/340>
Trace; d08f1640 <[scsi_mod].rodata.end+5851/8d51>
Trace; d08fdf84 <[ide-cd]cdrom_lockdoor+94/f0>
Trace; d08fd55f <[ide-cd]cdrom_start_read+5f/90>
Trace; d08fdfa0 <[ide-cd]cdrom_lockdoor+b0/f0>
Trace; c0118215 <inter_module_put+7c5/8b0>
Trace; d08fdec4 <[ide-cd]cdrom_check_status+54/80>
Trace; d08fc060 <[ide-cd]__module_license+0/0>
Trace; c0106ebb <__up_wakeup+107b/2e30>


1 error issued.  Results may not be reliable.

- -- 
Ben Clifford     benc@hawaga.org.uk     GPG: 30F06950
http://www.hawaga.org.uk/ben/
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* Re: Linux 2.5.25-dj2
  2002-07-15  0:20           ` Ben Clifford
@ 2002-07-15  0:43             ` Ben Clifford
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ben Clifford @ 2002-07-15  0:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Jones; +Cc: Heinz Diehl, linux-kernel, axboe, andre

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On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Ben Clifford wrote:

> >>EIP; d08ff420 <[ide-cd]ll_10byte_cmd_build+0/d0>   <=====

ide-cd.o is loaded at boot, and I have been manually unloading it before 
attempting to modprobe ide-scsi24.

So I rm'd the ide-cd.o from my modules directory as an easy way to stop it 
ever being loaded and I can modprobe ide-scsi24 without the oops 
happening.

I am attempting to rerecord a CD-RW at the moment to see if it works
properly - it is in the blanking stage at the moment and appears to be 
ok...

- -- 
Ben Clifford     benc@hawaga.org.uk     GPG: 30F06950
http://www.hawaga.org.uk/ben/
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