From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
Federico Ferreres <fferreres@ojf.com>,
Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Funding GPL projects or funding the GPL?
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:22:23 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020727092223.B26813@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0207271302550.3086-100000@imladris.surriel.com>; from riel@conectiva.com.br on Sat, Jul 27, 2002 at 01:06:56PM -0300
On Sat, Jul 27, 2002 at 01:06:56PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote:
> Some other areas won't ever get the funding through donations,
> simply because people will freeload whenever they can and try
> funding development as much as they can. We've seen that with
> BitKeeper and you had to "tighten up" the license a bit in order
> to make sure development stayed funded.
Yeah, and I wasn't thrilled about it, I can tell you that. I had the
same starry eyed idealistic idea that things would just work out and
they don't. So we're essentially in a proprietary model with a funky
dual free/pay licensing model. That's OK for us because the money
people value their privacy.
Actually, that's an interesting topic. Other applications could use
the BK model of "free if you're out in the open" and pay otherwise.
It's pretty effective. However, it doesn't work very well when the
community beats you to hell for not being GPLed. I had a thick enough
skin to deal with it, I doubt others would, they'd give up. It also
doesn't work when people refuse to obey the license because they
don't agree with it (we had plenty of that).
That leads to the real question: what is an acceptable model for the
community and the vendor for applications which don't work under the
standard GPL model?
> In short, I believe the voluntary donations aren't needed in
> most areas people would donate to and won't make enough of an
> impact in the areas where they are needed.
Agreed, but his thought was to make it non-voluntary. I have my doubts
about that working too, but there ought to be something which would work.
--
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Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-07-27 16:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-07-26 16:09 Funding GPL projects or funding the GPL? Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 16:15 ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-07-26 19:39 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 19:48 ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-07-26 19:56 ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-26 20:07 ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-07-26 20:53 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 20:08 ` Andrew Rodland
[not found] ` <1027714314.906.56.camel@fede>
2002-07-26 20:15 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 21:23 ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-26 16:46 ` Rob Landley
2002-07-27 0:03 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27 3:02 ` Gerhard Mack
2002-07-27 5:10 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27 5:34 ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-27 5:51 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27 6:29 ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-27 7:23 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27 15:42 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-27 15:59 ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-27 16:06 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-27 16:22 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2002-07-27 17:46 ` Roger Larsson
2002-07-27 19:49 ` Keith Adamson
2002-07-28 1:32 ` Daniel Mose
2002-07-28 5:21 ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-28 5:32 ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-28 9:16 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-28 10:35 ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-28 15:02 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-29 7:39 ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-29 9:07 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-29 13:11 ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-29 16:53 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-08-01 19:16 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-29 19:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-07-29 20:55 ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-30 15:12 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2002-07-30 16:26 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-07-30 16:07 ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-30 18:22 ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-30 19:11 ` Gerhard Mack
2002-07-30 19:29 ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-30 19:42 ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-30 20:03 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-28 14:20 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-29 7:19 ` Hans Reiser
[not found] ` <20020801162716.B27939@work.bitmover.com>
2002-08-02 1:15 ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-27 21:44 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27 7:44 ` Federico Ferreres
[not found] ` <20020730222018.GA17860@elf.ucw.cz>
2002-08-02 4:29 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-08-02 7:55 ` Pavel Machek
2002-08-03 20:57 ` David Schwartz
2002-08-03 22:55 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27 20:10 ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2002-07-31 20:03 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-01 9:32 ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 13:48 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-01 16:51 ` Gerhard Mack
2002-08-01 20:17 ` David Schwartz
2002-08-02 8:46 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-08-03 21:04 ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 21:56 ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 18:41 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-01 20:24 ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 20:52 ` Alexander Viro
2002-08-01 18:42 ` Funding Linux kernel -fringe and -future devel. projects ? Daniel Mose
2002-08-01 20:26 ` Mark Hahn
2002-07-29 11:48 ` Funding GPL projects or funding the GPL? Thunder from the hill
2002-07-26 16:42 ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-26 17:01 ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-26 17:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-26 17:08 ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-26 17:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-26 17:14 ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-26 20:03 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 20:29 ` Jon Portnoy
2002-07-26 20:43 ` Federico Ferreres
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-29 11:20 Samium Gromoff
2002-07-29 18:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-07-29 17:00 Federico Ferreres
2002-07-30 6:05 Samium Gromoff
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