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From: Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 4/21] fix ARCH_HAS_PREFETCH
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:45:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020814204556.GA7440@alpha.home.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3D5AB250.3070104@zytor.com>

On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 12:41:04PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Rogier Wolff wrote:
> >>
> >>Bullsh*t.  It can legitimately transform it into:
> >>
> >>	   i = N;
> >
> >
> >Right! But people are confusing "practise", "published interface", and 
> >"spec" again. 
> >
> >Published interface in this case is that gcc will not optimize an empty
> >loop away, as it is often used to generate a timing loop. 
> >
> 
> Yes.  This is a gcc-specific wart, a bad idea from the start, and 
> apparently one which has caught up with them to the point that they've 
> had to abandon it.

There would be a solution to tell gcc not to optimize things, which may
not require too much work from gcc people. Basically, we would need to
implement a __builtin_nop() function that would respect dependencies but
not generate any code. This way, we could have :

	for (i=0; i<N, i++);

optimized as i=N
and
	for (i=0; i<N; i++)
		__builtin_nop();
or even
	for (i=0; i<N; __builtin_nop(i++));
do the real work.

This way, some loops could be optimized, and the developpers could explicitely
tell the compiler when they need to prevent any optimization.

Cheers,
Willy


  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-08-14 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-11  7:38 [patch 4/21] fix ARCH_HAS_PREFETCH Andrew Morton
2002-08-11 19:49 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-11 18:47   ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-11 18:46     ` Larry McVoy
2002-08-11 19:06     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-11 20:07       ` GCC still keeps empty loops? (was: [patch 4/21] fix ARCH_HAS_PREFETCH) Jamie Lokier
2002-08-12  7:45         ` Ralf Baechle
2002-08-13 21:42     ` [patch 4/21] fix ARCH_HAS_PREFETCH Adrian Bunk
2002-08-13 22:12       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-13 22:22         ` Adrian Bunk
2002-08-13 22:42           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-14 17:40         ` Rogier Wolff
2002-08-14 19:41           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-14 19:57             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-08-14 22:03               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-08-14 20:45             ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2002-08-14 20:58               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-14 21:11                 ` Willy Tarreau
2002-08-14 21:13                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-15  1:23                 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-15  1:28                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-15  1:37                     ` Alan Cox
2002-08-14 22:53               ` David Lang
2002-08-14 23:31                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-08-15  6:44                 ` Willy Tarreau
2002-08-15  6:55                   ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found] <3D56147E.15E7A98@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-08-11  9:53 ` Andi Kleen

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