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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	Marc-Christian Petersen <m.c.p@wolk-project.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: IDE?
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:09:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020816170908.G31052@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208161657240.1674-100000@home.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 05:02:26PM -0700

> I actually don't think it's the people as much as it is the ridiculous 
> linkages inside ide.c and the hugely complicated rules. The code is messy.

So of all the people you know floating around in "active hacker" state, who
seems like the sort of person who could handle this mess?  If there is no
person, is there a description which is more specific than "wanted: person
who wants thankless abusive non-payed job to clean up what is inherently a
mess"?  

People are pretty amazing and I've found if you spell out exactly what
you are looking for you can sometimes get it.  People tend to step
up to the plate more willingly if they know what is expected of them.
You are the master of getting people to do that, so this is sort of the
blind suggesting a path to the sighted, but this area seems harder than
normal so maybe it can benefit from a more defined description.  Dunno.
Can't hurt.  I hate to see more crap piled on Alan, he's a finite and
useful resource.  Seems like spreading the load around would be good.

Another question: is there any operating system out there which handles
the IDE mess well?  I suppose Windows is as good as it gets, right?  Or
does Solaris/x86 do a good job?  If so, maybe we can get them to donate 
their work to Linux, since they seem to be looking for "we're good guys"
press coverage.
-- 
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Larry McVoy            	 lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-08-17  0:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-16 22:59 IDE? Marc-Christian Petersen
2002-08-16 23:34 ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2002-08-16 23:36   ` IDE? Larry McVoy
2002-08-17  0:02     ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2002-08-17  0:06       ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2002-08-17  1:04         ` IDE? Alexander Viro
2002-08-17  1:35           ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2001-11-02  7:36             ` IDE? Pavel Machek
2002-08-17  2:32             ` IDE? Alexander Viro
2002-08-17  9:21               ` IDE? Andries Brouwer
2002-08-17  8:22             ` IDE? Russell King
2002-08-17 21:59               ` IDE? Vojtech Pavlik
2002-08-18  0:52                 ` IDE? Russell King
2002-08-18 10:03                   ` IDE? Vojtech Pavlik
2002-08-17 11:08             ` IDE? Rogier Wolff
2002-08-17 14:39             ` IDE? Mike Dresser
2002-08-17 18:16             ` IDE? Jan-Benedict Glaw
2002-08-17 18:18               ` IDE? Andre Hedrick
2002-08-17 18:30               ` IDE? Anton Altaparmakov
2002-08-17 18:30                 ` IDE? Andre Hedrick
2002-08-19 13:57               ` IDE? Dana Lacoste
2002-08-19 14:04                 ` IDE? Tomas Szepe
2002-08-19 14:15                 ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-19 17:09                 ` IDE? Willy Tarreau
2002-08-19 23:29             ` IDE? Thunder from the hill
2002-08-20  7:47               ` IDE? Sean Neakums
2002-08-20  8:04                 ` IDE-DGD update Andre Hedrick
2002-08-17  0:09       ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2002-08-17 20:04         ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-17 20:00       ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-17  0:33     ` IDE? Andries Brouwer
2002-08-17  1:21       ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2002-08-17  0:01   ` IDE? Anton Altaparmakov
2002-08-17  0:07     ` IDE? Anton Altaparmakov
2002-08-17  0:10     ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2002-08-17  8:25       ` IDE? Jens Axboe
2002-08-17 19:56       ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-17 22:11         ` IDE? Anton Altaparmakov
2002-08-17 22:17           ` IDE? Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-08-17 23:17             ` IDE? John Weber
2002-08-18  2:35           ` IDE? Thomas Molina
2002-08-18  1:41         ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  1:58           ` IDE? Alexander Viro
2002-08-18 11:15       ` IDE? Vojtech Pavlik
2002-08-18 12:16         ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-21 10:17           ` IDE? Vojtech Pavlik
2002-08-21 13:20             ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-21 13:27               ` IDE? Vojtech Pavlik
2002-08-21 14:06                 ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-21 14:14                   ` IDE? Vojtech Pavlik
2002-08-17  0:18 ` IDE? Rik van Riel
2002-08-17  2:08   ` IDE? Andrew Morton
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-18 23:57 IDE? Adam J. Richter
2002-08-18 22:49 IDE? Adam J. Richter
2002-08-18 23:38 ` IDE? Andre Hedrick
2002-08-19 20:23   ` IDE? Timothy D. Witham
2002-08-19 20:40     ` IDE? Andre Hedrick
2002-08-19 21:03     ` IDE? Daniel Egger
2002-08-20 18:58   ` IDE? Gunther Mayer
2002-08-21  7:32     ` IDE? Andre Hedrick
2002-08-19 20:10 ` IDE? Timothy D. Witham
2002-08-17 13:02 IDE? Adam J. Richter
2002-08-17 13:22 ` IDE? Alexander Kellett
2002-08-17 17:37   ` IDE? Andre Hedrick
2002-08-17 19:51   ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-18 12:43     ` IDE? Alexander Kellett
2002-08-17 18:26 ` IDE? Andreas Dilger
2002-08-19  9:54   ` IDE? Vojtech Pavlik
2002-08-16 21:00 IDE? Martin J. Bligh
2002-08-16 21:28 ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2002-08-17 11:52   ` IDE? Matthias Andree
2002-08-17 12:08     ` IDE? Russell King

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