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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
To: Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>
Cc: henrique <henrique@cyclades.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Problem with random.c and PPC
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:05:07 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020817060507.GM9642@clusterfs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020817004520.GN5418@waste.org>

On Aug 16, 2002  19:45 -0500, Oliver Xymoron wrote:
> Realistically, the hashing done by /dev/urandom is probably strong
> enough for most purposes. It's as cryptographically strong as whatever
> block cipher you're likely to use with it. /dev/random goes one step
> further and tries to offer something that's theoretically
> unbreakable. Useful for generating things like large public keys, less
> useful for generating the session keys used by SSL and the
> like. They're easier to break by direct attack.

One of the problems, I believe, is that reading from /dev/urandom will
also deplete the entropy pool, just like reading from /dev/random.
The only difference is that when the entropy is gone /dev/random will
stop and /dev/urandom will continue to provide data.

If you are in there fixing things, it might make sense to have
/dev/urandom extract entropy from the random pool far less often than
/dev/random.  This way people who use /dev/urandom for a source of
less-strong randomness (e.g. TCP sequence numbers or whatever), will
not be shooting themselves in the foot for when they need a 2048-byte
PGP key, if they are low on entropy sources.

Cheers, Andreas
--
Andreas Dilger
http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2resize/


  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-17  6:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-16 10:00 Problem with random.c and PPC Jon Burgess
2002-08-16 19:52 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-16 17:51   ` henrique
2002-08-16 21:21     ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
2002-08-17  0:47       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-17  0:45     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-17  6:05       ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2002-08-17  7:23         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-17  9:09           ` Andreas Dilger
2002-08-17 16:56             ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-19  9:29           ` Marco Colombo
2002-08-19 14:02             ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-19 15:11               ` Marco Colombo
2002-08-19 15:29                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-19 16:20                   ` Marco Colombo
2002-08-19 16:33                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-19 20:23                       ` Marco Colombo
2002-08-22  3:16             ` David Wagner
2002-08-16 20:52   ` Chris Friesen
2002-08-17  0:29     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-22  3:19     ` David Wagner
2002-08-22 15:40       ` Chris Friesen
2002-08-22 17:25       ` Remco Post
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-15 16:10 henrique
2002-08-15 15:14 henrique
2002-08-15 18:25 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-08-15 19:03   ` Tom Rini
2002-08-15 19:59     ` Andreas Dilger
2002-08-15 21:04       ` Tom Rini
2002-08-16  1:50         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-16 16:33           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-16 16:28         ` Oliver Xymoron
     [not found]           ` <20020816170126.GD26993@opus.bloom.county>
2002-08-16 17:15             ` Oliver Xymoron

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