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From: Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andre Hedrick <andre@linux-ide.org>,
	"Heater, Daniel (IndSys, GEFanuc,
	VMIC)" <Daniel.Heater@gefanuc.com>,
	"'Padraig Brady'" <padraig.brady@corvil.com>,
	"'Linux Kernel'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: IDE-flash device and hard disk on same controller
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:03:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020823120350.A20963@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3D658F2C.1080400@mandrakesoft.com>; from jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com on Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 09:26:04PM -0400

On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 09:26:04PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Well, this only applies if you are slack and letting the kernel init 
> your ATA from scratch, instead of doing proper ATA initialization in 
> firmware ;-)

Assuming that you have firmware.  What about the case of PCMCIA drives
that you plug in after the kernel has booted and get registered with
IDE almost immediately?

> Seriously, if you are a handed an ATA device that is actually in 
> operation when the kernel boots, you are already out of spec.  I would 
> prefer to barf if the BSY or DRDY bits are set, because taking over the 
> ATA bus while a device is in the middle of a command shouldn't be 
> happening at Linux kernel boot, ever.

Erm, no.  Read the spec.  When the drive is spinning up from power on,
BSY is set.  BSY may be set for up to 30 seconds or so until the platters
are at full speed.  (Some drives take even longer, maybe 40 seconds.)
Once this is so, there are magic bytes you can read from the drive
register that tell you if the device is AT or ATA.  These aren't valid
until that BSY bit has cleared.

-- 
Russell King (rmk@arm.linux.org.uk)                The developer of ARM Linux
             http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/personal/aboutme.html


  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-23 10:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-20 19:52 IDE-flash device and hard disk on same controller Heater, Daniel (IndSys, GEFanuc, VMIC)
2002-08-20 21:57 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-08-20 22:00   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-08-20 22:28     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-08-21  6:36       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-08-21  6:55         ` Andre Hedrick
2002-08-21  7:16           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-08-21  6:57         ` MMIO {Re: IDE-flash device and hard disk on same controller} Andre Hedrick
2002-08-21  7:10           ` Andre Hedrick
2002-08-22  5:34       ` IDE-flash device and hard disk on same controller Eric W. Biederman
2002-08-22 23:12         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-08-23  0:50           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-08-23  1:26             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-08-23 11:03               ` Russell King [this message]
2002-08-23 11:41               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-08-23 10:12                 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-23 13:09               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-08-23  3:14             ` Andre Hedrick
2002-08-23 11:44               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-08-24  2:02                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-08-24  0:19                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-08-24  8:41                   ` Russell King
2002-08-24 20:28                     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-08-23  3:19             ` Andre Hedrick
2002-08-23  7:14               ` Helge Hafting
2002-08-23  7:49                 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-08-23 10:50               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-08-23 11:08                 ` Russell King
2002-08-23 11:07               ` Russell King
2002-08-23 11:36           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-08-22 13:41 ` bill davidsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-23 10:48 Adam J. Richter
2002-08-23 10:14 Adam J. Richter
2002-08-23  8:31 Adam J. Richter
2002-08-23  8:59 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-08-23  9:54 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-08-23  6:54 Adam J. Richter
2002-08-23  7:45 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-08-23 11:10   ` Russell King
2002-08-23 17:08     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-08-23 17:42       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-08-21 13:22 Warner, Bill (IndSys, GEFanuc, VMIC)
2002-08-19 18:31 Heater, Daniel (IndSys, GEFanuc, VMIC)
2002-08-19 19:21 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-20  8:44 ` Padraig Brady

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