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From: Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>
To: Andries Brouwer <aebr@win.tue.nl>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>,
	"Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@scsiguy.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: aic7xxx sets CDR offline, how to reset?
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 06:48:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020904064806.B12420@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020904103737.GA9936@win.tue.nl>; from aebr@win.tue.nl on Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 12:37:37PM +0200

On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 12:37:37PM +0200, Andries Brouwer wrote:
> 
> The scsi error recovery has many bad properties, but one is its slowness.

This does not have to be this way.  It is a solvable problem.

> Once it gets triggered on a machine with SCSI disks it is common to
> have a dead system for several minutes.

Yes, well, this too is solvable.  It, in fact, reminds me that one of the 
things I think needs added to the scsi host settings is a default timeout 
value for typical devices.  Something like adding a default_timeout value 
to each Scsi_Device struct and allowing the scsi driver to modify the 
value during the slave_attach() call.  Then we can put the default timeout 
on non-intelligent controllers to something sane while things like 
MegaRAID controllers can keep their sky high timeout values.

> I have not yet met a situation
> in which rebooting was not preferable above scsi error recovery,
> especially since the attempt to recover often fails.

This, too, is solvable.  It just requires that the scsi subsystem start 
paying attention to *how* things fail and making the error handling code 
smart enough to know when to retry things and when to just fail.

-- 
  Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>     919-754-3700 x44233
         Red Hat, Inc. 
         1801 Varsity Dr.
         Raleigh, NC 27606
  

  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-04 10:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-03 14:35 aic7xxx sets CDR offline, how to reset? James Bottomley
2002-09-03 18:23 ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 19:09   ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 20:59     ` Alan Cox
2002-09-03 21:32       ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 21:54         ` Alan Cox
2002-09-03 22:50         ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 23:28           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-04  7:40           ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-04 16:24             ` James Bottomley
2002-09-04 17:13               ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-05  9:50               ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-04 16:13           ` James Bottomley
2002-09-04 16:50             ` Justin T. Gibbs
2002-09-05  9:39               ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-05 13:35                 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2002-09-03 21:13     ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 21:48       ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 22:42         ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 22:52           ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 23:29           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-04 21:16           ` Luben Tuikov
2002-09-04 10:37         ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-04 10:48           ` Doug Ledford [this message]
2002-09-04 11:23           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-04 16:25             ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-04 19:34               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-03 21:24     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-03 22:02       ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 23:26         ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-09-02 12:23 CAMTP guest
2002-09-02 15:50 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2002-09-02 18:05   ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-02 19:16     ` CAMTP guest
2002-09-02 19:48       ` Justin T. Gibbs
2002-09-02 19:42     ` Justin T. Gibbs
2002-06-11  2:46 Proposed changes to generic blk tag for use in SCSI (1/3) James Bottomley
2002-06-11  5:50 ` Jens Axboe
2002-06-11 14:29   ` James Bottomley
2002-06-11 14:45     ` Jens Axboe
2002-06-11 16:39       ` James Bottomley
2002-06-13 21:01 ` Doug Ledford
2002-06-13 21:26   ` James Bottomley
2002-06-13 21:50     ` Doug Ledford
2002-06-13 22:09       ` James Bottomley

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