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From: Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>
To: Kent Borg <kentborg@borg.org>
Cc: David Wagner <daw@mozart.cs.berkeley.edu>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] (0/4) Entropy accounting fixes
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:57:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020909195733.GC31597@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020909145451.G14891@borg.org>

On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 02:54:51PM -0400, Kent Borg wrote:
> Most of this thread is about on-going sources of entropy, but what
> about initial state?  Yes, distributions such as Red Hat save the pool
> when shutting down and restore it on booting.  But what about initial
> initial state?  What about those poor headless servers that get built
> by Kickstart?  What about the individual blades in a server?  What
> about poor embedded routers that are really impoverished: Nothing but
> a CPU, timers, ethernet hardware, and ROM.  And DRAM!
> 
> Why not use the power-on state of DRAM as a source of initial pool
> entropy?  

There's actually not a lot there, and what is there is not random, but
rather a rapidly fading "ghost" of what was there last. And for most
folks, this gets wiped by POST or the kernel long before the RNG gets
its hands on it.
 
Nonetheless, there's no reason not to take whatever state we get when
we allocate our pool. Amusingly, the current code needlessly zeroes out
its pool before using it - twice! I've already fixed this in my patches.

-- 
 "Love the dolphins," she advised him. "Write by W.A.S.T.E.." 

  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-09 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-18  2:15 [PATCH] (0/4) Entropy accounting fixes Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  2:23 ` [PATCH] (1/4) " Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  2:26   ` [PATCH] (2/4) Update input drivers Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  2:29     ` [PATCH] (3/4) SA_RANDOM user fixup Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  2:32       ` [PATCH] (4/4) entropy batching update Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  2:30 ` [PATCH] (0/4) Entropy accounting fixes Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  2:59   ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  3:08     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  3:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  4:42         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  4:53           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  5:05             ` Dmitri
2002-08-18  6:18               ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-22  3:33             ` David Wagner
2002-08-18 10:30         ` Alan Cox
2002-08-18 15:08           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18 17:31           ` Jonathan Lundell
2002-08-22  3:27         ` David Wagner
2002-08-18  4:30       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-21  8:44       ` Rogier Wolff
2002-08-21 12:47         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  5:28     ` Andreas Dilger
2002-08-18  5:53       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-22  3:25   ` David Wagner
2002-08-18  3:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  3:51   ` Robert Love
2002-08-18  4:01     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  5:38       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-19  4:21         ` Theodore Ts'o
2002-08-19 10:15           ` Marco Colombo
2002-08-19 10:25             ` Oliver Neukum
2002-08-19 11:03               ` Marco Colombo
2002-08-19 14:22                 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-08-19 15:21                   ` Marco Colombo
2002-08-19 16:29                     ` Oliver Neukum
2002-08-19 12:39           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  6:31       ` Robert Love
2002-08-18  6:48         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  4:06     ` dean gaudet
2002-08-18  4:44       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  7:31       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-08-18  9:48         ` Ralf Baechle
2002-08-20 12:51           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-08-18 16:58         ` Robert Love
2002-08-18 10:25       ` Alan Cox
2002-08-19 10:47         ` Marco Colombo
2002-08-19 12:29           ` Alan Cox
2002-08-19 12:56             ` Marco Colombo
2002-09-08  3:43             ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2002-09-08 18:03               ` David Wagner
2002-09-09 16:53                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-09 16:58                   ` David Wagner
2002-09-09 19:47                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-09 23:22                       ` David Wagner
2002-09-16 22:51                       ` dean gaudet
2002-09-17  1:18                         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-09 18:54                   ` Kent Borg
2002-09-09 19:57                     ` Oliver Xymoron [this message]
2002-09-09 20:11                       ` Kent Borg
2002-08-18  4:57     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  4:28   ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  4:51     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  5:24       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18 16:59         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-02 10:34           ` Pavel Machek
2002-08-23 20:16             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18 17:03           ` Robert Love
2002-08-18 17:31           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18 16:54     ` Robert Love
2002-08-18 17:18       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18 17:20         ` Robert Love
2002-08-19  5:43 ` Theodore Ts'o
2001-11-02 10:05   ` Pavel Machek
2002-08-19  6:06   ` *Challenge* Finding a solution (When kernel boots it does not display any system info) louie miranda
2002-08-19  7:30     ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2002-08-19  7:30     ` Ryan Cumming
2002-08-20  0:55       ` louie miranda
2002-08-19 13:52   ` [PATCH] (0/4) Entropy accounting fixes Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-20  8:59     ` Tommi Kyntola
2002-08-20 13:21       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-20 16:19         ` Tommi Kyntola
2002-08-20 17:22           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-08  3:51             ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2002-09-08  4:31               ` Oliver Xymoron
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-18  4:57 David Brownell
2002-08-18  6:02 ` Oliver Xymoron

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