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From: Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>
To: dean gaudet <dean-list-linux-kernel@arctic.org>
Cc: David Wagner <daw@mozart.cs.berkeley.edu>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] (0/4) Entropy accounting fixes
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:18:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020917011834.GC26230@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209161541430.3465-100000@twinlark.arctic.org>

On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 03:51:56PM -0700, dean gaudet wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Oliver Xymoron wrote:
> 
> > making the RNG guessable is relatively easy. On the other hand
> > determining whether a given snippet of code is doing RSA, etc. is
> > equivalent to solving the halting problem, so it's seems to me pretty
> > damn hard to usefully put this sort of back door into a CPU without
> > sacrificing general-purpose functionality.
> 
> while the general problem is certainly halting-problem level of
> complexity, there's a much more simple problem which amounts to string
> matching.  the simple problem is "is this a specific portion of openssl /
> cryptoapi / whatever?"
> 
> if you consider a technology like transmeta's which only has to
> compile/translate code infrequently (rather than a traditional technology
> with decoders running all the time) then it's pretty easy to see how you
> could use a few cycles to do the string matching.

If you're the compiler, it's pretty damn easy. If you're the CPU
watching the instruction stream generated by an unknown compiler for a
lengthy piece of code with context switches and interrupts going on,
it's back to being nontrivial again. It's simply much easier to
backdoor the RNG..

-- 
 "Love the dolphins," she advised him. "Write by W.A.S.T.E.." 

  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-17  1:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-18  2:15 [PATCH] (0/4) Entropy accounting fixes Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  2:23 ` [PATCH] (1/4) " Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  2:26   ` [PATCH] (2/4) Update input drivers Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  2:29     ` [PATCH] (3/4) SA_RANDOM user fixup Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  2:32       ` [PATCH] (4/4) entropy batching update Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  2:30 ` [PATCH] (0/4) Entropy accounting fixes Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  2:59   ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  3:08     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  3:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  4:42         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  4:53           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  5:05             ` Dmitri
2002-08-18  6:18               ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-22  3:33             ` David Wagner
2002-08-18 10:30         ` Alan Cox
2002-08-18 15:08           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18 17:31           ` Jonathan Lundell
2002-08-22  3:27         ` David Wagner
2002-08-18  4:30       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-21  8:44       ` Rogier Wolff
2002-08-21 12:47         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  5:28     ` Andreas Dilger
2002-08-18  5:53       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-22  3:25   ` David Wagner
2002-08-18  3:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  3:51   ` Robert Love
2002-08-18  4:01     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  5:38       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-19  4:21         ` Theodore Ts'o
2002-08-19 10:15           ` Marco Colombo
2002-08-19 10:25             ` Oliver Neukum
2002-08-19 11:03               ` Marco Colombo
2002-08-19 14:22                 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-08-19 15:21                   ` Marco Colombo
2002-08-19 16:29                     ` Oliver Neukum
2002-08-19 12:39           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  6:31       ` Robert Love
2002-08-18  6:48         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  4:06     ` dean gaudet
2002-08-18  4:44       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  7:31       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-08-18  9:48         ` Ralf Baechle
2002-08-20 12:51           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-08-18 16:58         ` Robert Love
2002-08-18 10:25       ` Alan Cox
2002-08-19 10:47         ` Marco Colombo
2002-08-19 12:29           ` Alan Cox
2002-08-19 12:56             ` Marco Colombo
2002-09-08  3:43             ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2002-09-08 18:03               ` David Wagner
2002-09-09 16:53                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-09 16:58                   ` David Wagner
2002-09-09 19:47                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-09 23:22                       ` David Wagner
2002-09-16 22:51                       ` dean gaudet
2002-09-17  1:18                         ` Oliver Xymoron [this message]
2002-09-09 18:54                   ` Kent Borg
2002-09-09 19:57                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-09 20:11                       ` Kent Borg
2002-08-18  4:57     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  4:28   ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18  4:51     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18  5:24       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18 16:59         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-02 10:34           ` Pavel Machek
2002-08-23 20:16             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18 17:03           ` Robert Love
2002-08-18 17:31           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18 16:54     ` Robert Love
2002-08-18 17:18       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-18 17:20         ` Robert Love
2002-08-19  5:43 ` Theodore Ts'o
2001-11-02 10:05   ` Pavel Machek
2002-08-19  6:06   ` *Challenge* Finding a solution (When kernel boots it does not display any system info) louie miranda
2002-08-19  7:30     ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2002-08-19  7:30     ` Ryan Cumming
2002-08-20  0:55       ` louie miranda
2002-08-19 13:52   ` [PATCH] (0/4) Entropy accounting fixes Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-20  8:59     ` Tommi Kyntola
2002-08-20 13:21       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-08-20 16:19         ` Tommi Kyntola
2002-08-20 17:22           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-08  3:51             ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2002-09-08  4:31               ` Oliver Xymoron
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-18  4:57 David Brownell
2002-08-18  6:02 ` Oliver Xymoron

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