From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Andries Brouwer <aebr@win.tue.nl>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:49:39 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020918144939.GU3530@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020918123206.GA14595@win.tue.nl>
On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 02:32:06PM +0200, Andries Brouwer wrote:
> I still don't understand the current obsession with this stuff.
> It is easy to have pid_max 2^30 and a fast algorithm that does not
> take any more kernel space.
> It seems to me you are first creating an unrealistic and unfavorable
> situation (put pid_max at some artificially low value, starting a
> lot of tasks and saying: look! the algorithm is quadratic!) and
> then solve the problem that you thus invented yourself.
> Please leave pid_max large.
> Andries
There is no obsession. This just happens to be a real life issue.
Basically, the nondeterministic behavior of these things is NMI oopsing
my machines and those of users (who often just cut the power instead of
running the NMI oopser). get_pid() is actually not the primary offender,
but is known to be problematic along with the rest of them. I don't
really care whose pet algorithm is used so long as it doesn't explode
when breathed on. And Ingo's algorithm looks excellent to me.
This is furthermore blocking VM testing and development for many tasks
scenarios meant to emulate and optimize usage typical of machines in
the field.
Bill
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-09-18 14:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-09-17 23:06 [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 0:22 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 1:27 ` David S. Miller
2002-09-18 2:22 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 10:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 14:28 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 12:32 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 12:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 16:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:28 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 18:27 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 19:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 20:11 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 20:29 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 21:15 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-19 3:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-19 13:11 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-21 12:56 ` quadratic behaviour Andries Brouwer
2002-09-21 17:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-21 17:35 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-21 17:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-21 17:46 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 14:49 ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2002-09-18 15:01 ` [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 15:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 15:31 ` yodaiken
2002-09-18 15:35 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 15:37 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 15:50 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-18 18:31 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 18:32 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 16:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 16:32 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 16:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 21:46 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-18 16:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:45 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 16:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 17:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:47 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 17:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 18:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-19 19:27 ` Martin Mares
2002-09-17 15:31 ` Pavel Machek
2002-09-19 20:07 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-09-18 16:46 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 16:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:35 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 17:43 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 17:48 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-18 17:57 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 18:08 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-18 18:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 18:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:56 ` interruptible_sleep_on_timeout() and signals Imran Badr
2002-09-19 7:16 ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-18 19:53 ` [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-22 0:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-09-22 10:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-22 15:27 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-09-18 18:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:58 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 18:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:54 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-18 17:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:00 ` yodaiken
2002-09-18 18:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:33 ` yodaiken
2002-09-18 16:55 ` Alan Cox
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