From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Andries Brouwer <aebr@win.tue.nl>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: quadratic behaviour
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:35:31 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020921173531.GQ3530@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209210958080.2702-100000@home.transmeta.com>
On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, Andries Brouwer wrote:
>> Let me repeat this, and call it an observation instead of a question,
>> so that you do not think I am in doubt.
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 10:06:02AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> The reason Ingo thinks it is fixed is that it is fixed for the case of
> having millions of threads - because the threads (with the new thread
> library) won't show up on the "for_each_process()" loop. Which makes
> threaded apps look a lot better on ps and top (we'll have to expose them
> some day under /proc/<pid>/thread/<tid>/, but that's another matter)
> But the quadratic behaviour wrt processes clearly isn't fixed. Suggestions
> welcome (and we'll need to avoid the same quadratic behaviour wrt the
> threads when we expose them).
Okay, I'm in trouble. My end-users use processes. But /proc/ needs some
more tweaking before they can use it during larger runs anyway.
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 10:06:02AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> The only "obvious" thing to do is to insert markers into the process list,
> and have "for_each_process()" automatically skip the marker entries. There
> probably wouldn't be all that many things that would ever notice if that
> were done (excatly because most things that want to traverse the list use
> "for_each_process()" already). And then instead of using "index", you
> carry the marker thing around...
This also sounds like an excellent idea. I may take a stab at this.
Thanks,
Bill
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-09-21 17:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-09-17 23:06 [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 0:22 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 1:27 ` David S. Miller
2002-09-18 2:22 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 10:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 14:28 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 12:32 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 12:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 16:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:28 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 18:27 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 19:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 20:11 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 20:29 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 21:15 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-19 3:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-19 13:11 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-21 12:56 ` quadratic behaviour Andries Brouwer
2002-09-21 17:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-21 17:35 ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2002-09-21 17:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-21 17:46 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 14:49 ` [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 15:01 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 15:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 15:31 ` yodaiken
2002-09-18 15:35 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 15:37 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 15:50 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-18 18:31 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 18:32 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 16:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 16:32 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 16:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 21:46 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-18 16:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:45 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 16:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 17:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:47 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 17:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 18:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-19 19:27 ` Martin Mares
2002-09-17 15:31 ` Pavel Machek
2002-09-19 20:07 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-09-18 16:46 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 16:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:35 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 17:43 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 17:48 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-18 17:57 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 18:08 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-18 18:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 18:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:56 ` interruptible_sleep_on_timeout() and signals Imran Badr
2002-09-19 7:16 ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-18 19:53 ` [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-22 0:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-09-22 10:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-22 15:27 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-09-18 18:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:58 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 18:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:54 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-18 17:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:00 ` yodaiken
2002-09-18 18:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:33 ` yodaiken
2002-09-18 16:55 ` Alan Cox
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-09-21 14:15 quadratic behaviour Manfred Spraul
2002-09-21 17:02 ` William Lee Irwin III
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