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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Andries Brouwer <aebr@win.tue.nl>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: quadratic behaviour
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:35:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020921173531.GQ3530@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209210958080.2702-100000@home.transmeta.com>

On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, Andries Brouwer wrote:
>> Let me repeat this, and call it an observation instead of a question,
>> so that you do not think I am in doubt.

On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 10:06:02AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> The reason Ingo thinks it is fixed is that it is fixed for the case of 
> having millions of threads - because the threads (with the new thread 
> library) won't show up on the "for_each_process()" loop. Which makes 
> threaded apps look a lot better on ps and top (we'll have to expose them 
> some day under /proc/<pid>/thread/<tid>/, but that's another matter)
> But the quadratic behaviour wrt processes clearly isn't fixed. Suggestions
> welcome (and we'll need to avoid the same quadratic behaviour wrt the
> threads when we expose them).

Okay, I'm in trouble. My end-users use processes. But /proc/ needs some
more tweaking before they can use it during larger runs anyway.


On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 10:06:02AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> The only "obvious" thing to do is to insert markers into the process list,
> and have "for_each_process()" automatically skip the marker entries. There
> probably wouldn't be all that many things that would ever notice if that
> were done (excatly because most things that want to traverse the list use
> "for_each_process()" already). And then instead of using "index", you 
> carry the marker thing around...

This also sounds like an excellent idea. I may take a stab at this.


Thanks,
Bill

  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-21 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-17 23:06 [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18  0:22 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18  1:27   ` David S. Miller
2002-09-18  2:22     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 10:11   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 14:28     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 12:32 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 12:56   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:17     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 16:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:57       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:28     ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 18:27       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 19:00       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 20:11         ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 20:29           ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 21:15             ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-19  3:05               ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-19 13:11                 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-21 12:56                   ` quadratic behaviour Andries Brouwer
2002-09-21 17:06                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-21 17:35                       ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2002-09-21 17:49                       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-21 17:46                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 14:49   ` [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 15:01     ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 15:33       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 15:31         ` yodaiken
2002-09-18 15:35         ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 15:37       ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 15:50       ` Alan Cox
2002-09-18 18:31     ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 18:32       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 16:15   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 16:32     ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 16:48       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:31         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 21:46         ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-18 16:41     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:45       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 16:59         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:36         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:36           ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 17:46             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:47               ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 17:59             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:50               ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 18:07                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-19 19:27           ` Martin Mares
2002-09-17 15:31             ` Pavel Machek
2002-09-19 20:07             ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-09-18 16:46     ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 16:53       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:00         ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 17:16           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:28             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:38           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:24         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:30           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:35             ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 17:43               ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 17:48               ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-18 17:57                 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 18:08                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-18 18:28                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:33                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 18:51                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:56                           ` interruptible_sleep_on_timeout() and signals Imran Badr
2002-09-19  7:16                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-18 19:53                       ` [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-22  0:34                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-09-22 10:02                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-22 15:27                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-09-18 18:02               ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:58                 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 18:14                   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:54             ` Alan Cox
2002-09-18 17:54             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:00               ` yodaiken
2002-09-18 18:21                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:33                   ` yodaiken
2002-09-18 16:55     ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-09-21 14:15 quadratic behaviour Manfred Spraul
2002-09-21 17:02 ` William Lee Irwin III

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