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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Jes Sorensen <jes@wildopensource.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
	bcollins@debian.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: BK MetaData License Problem?
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 15:49:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021006154918.X29486@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3it0fsbq7.fsf@trained-monkey.org>; from jes@wildopensource.com on Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 01:45:04PM -0400

On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 01:45:04PM -0400, Jes Sorensen wrote:
> I have no issue with a company like BM or anyone else using anonymous
> statistics for advertisement, but I'd be royally pissed if I had my
> name on someone's leaflet without having given my written permission
> first. Hence the suggestion for a privacy clause in the license.

OK, so find some legal language that does what you want and send it to me.
If it doesn't prevent the openlogging web pages or the bkbits.net web pages
and bkd ports, we'll add it.  We don't do a darn thing with that info,
I hear, understand, and agree with your concern, I just need some sample
language that threads the needle.

All the language I've seen would prevent us from displaying the web pages.
That's no good.  We can't say we won't redistribute because the web pages
are definitely redistribution.  We can say we won't sell it if that helps.
If we say we can't aggragate it then we can't do stuff like this:

	http://www.bitkeeper.com/stats/linux-csets-L3W.png

which is something we'd like to make part of bkbits.net.  And I think it's
something that the community wants.

So what's the language that says we won't do the spam style crud that you 
are legitimately afraid of but does allow the useful stuff for the 
community?  It's good to handle this now, if we can get it nailed down
to something reasonable it's hard for BitMover the corporation to lose
its mind and change things later, you can argue fair use or breach of
promise or one of those lovely legal terms, I don't remember which 
covers this, but I know there is one.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy            	 lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm 

  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-06 22:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 230+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-04 20:55 New BK License Problem? tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 21:33   ` tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:38     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 22:16       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-04 22:36         ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05  0:04           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05  0:32             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05  1:54               ` John Levon
2002-10-05 10:26             ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05 10:23               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05  0:50     ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06  2:17       ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-04 23:02   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-04 23:33     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 23:28       ` David S. Miller
     [not found]       ` <20021005003840.GQ710@gallifrey>
     [not found]         ` <20021004174501.Q835@work.bitmover.com>
     [not found]           ` <20021005005344.GR710@gallifrey>
     [not found]             ` <20021004180600.R835@work.bitmover.com>
     [not found]               ` <20021005011706.GU710@gallifrey>
     [not found]                 ` <20021004185325.V835@work.bitmover.com>
2002-10-05 11:54                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-05 17:54   ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:25     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 18:35       ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:41       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-10-05 19:06         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 19:24           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 19:43             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:51               ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-06  0:42                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 20:21               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 23:28                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:50                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-05 23:44                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-05 23:53                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  3:40                       ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-06  8:28                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  8:46                         ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06  9:06                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  9:24                             ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 14:03                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 14:18                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:27                             ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 21:13                               ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:04                                 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:15                                   ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:24                                     ` Dave Jones
2002-10-08 22:20                                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:31                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-08 22:26                                       ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:45                                         ` Dave Jones
2002-10-09  0:51                                     ` BK kernel commits list David S. Miller
2002-10-09 11:49                                       ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 11:58                                         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 12:17                                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 12:12                                             ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 14:11                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 14:44                                               ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 14:55                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 14:58                                                   ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 19:48                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59                                                     ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:32                                                       ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 20:34                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59                                                     ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 20:52                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 21:02                                                         ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:41                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:06                                 ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:15                                   ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 22:25                                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:53                                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:49                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  4:43                     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06  5:50                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06  7:43                       ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06  8:13                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  9:21                         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 16:38                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-06 17:02                           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:12                             ` Russell King
2002-10-06 21:06                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 17:03                           ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06 23:05                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  0:42                               ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06  8:00                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 11:04                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:57                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 11:24                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:59                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:04                         ` BK MetaData " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 11:52                           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:18                             ` jbradford
2002-10-06 12:35                               ` jw schultz
2002-10-06 12:18                             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 16:18                             ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-06 13:48                           ` Russell King
2002-10-06 14:10                             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:08                               ` Russell King
2002-10-06 16:58                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:06                                   ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:12                                   ` Marek Habersack
2002-10-06 14:23                               ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:39                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06 20:00                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:52                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  6:08                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-07  6:07                                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:17                             ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 17:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:41                               ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:45                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 22:49                                   ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2002-10-06 12:10                         ` New BK " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06  4:25                 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06  9:00                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  3:35               ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-05 19:47             ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-05 19:54               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:56                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:01                   ` Ben Collins
2002-10-07  2:10                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  2:29                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:38                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  3:07                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-10  3:48                       ` rsync kernel tree " jw schultz
2002-10-06 22:03                 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:33                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:45                     ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:59                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 23:15                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 19:06                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:19                     ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:24                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:37                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:54                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 21:10                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-08  9:11                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-08  1:05                             ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-06  0:34             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:45               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:15         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:46           ` jbradford
2002-10-06 22:18           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 23:54             ` Jeff Dike
2002-10-06 22:57               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:57               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 13:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 13:59         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:56           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:22             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:15               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:39                 ` Alexandre Dulaunoy
2002-10-07  1:21                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07  6:29                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:27                     ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 15:43                   ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-07 16:06                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 16:18                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 16:30               ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-07  9:37                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-07 14:50                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 18:45                     ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-06 21:31               ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2002-10-06 22:05                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 22:16                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:19                   ` Robert Love
2002-10-06 22:36                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 23:22                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-06 13:59         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06 14:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:53         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:37           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:11       ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 18:49         ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-07 20:12           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:14             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 21:23           ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-07 18:51         ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Mike Galbraith
2002-10-07 21:31           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-09 23:34             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-09 23:50               ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-10  1:08                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  1:47                   ` Keith Owens
2002-10-10  8:09                 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10  8:28                   ` Off topic, bandwidth wasting, waffle about Bit Keeper jbradford
2002-10-09 23:55               ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  3:50                 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10  4:16                   ` Derek D. Martin
2002-10-10  4:56                     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10  7:33                       ` Jirka David
2002-10-10  7:26                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-10 13:36                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 14:04                 ` yodaiken
2002-10-10 16:14                   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10 16:25                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-10 16:52                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-10 17:28                         ` Alan Cox
2002-10-10 16:38                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 18:57                       ` Eli Carter
2002-10-10 19:01                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  0:03               ` Jamie Lokier
2002-10-10  7:31                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-07 18:56         ` tom_gall
2002-10-07 20:44           ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:55             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 21:28             ` BK is *evil* corporate software tom_gall
2002-10-07 21:36             ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 17:52               ` 2.5.43 disk repartitioning problems Dave Olien
2002-10-17 18:04                 ` Dave Olien
2002-10-18 19:45                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-18 22:17                   ` Dave Olien
2002-10-19 17:39                     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-07 20:30         ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:27     ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:32       ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06  0:53         ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 13:10 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 22:53   ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-05 23:21     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:49       ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-06  0:48     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 19:21       ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-05 13:17 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 13:48   ` FD Cami
2002-10-05 13:41     ` Hans Reiser
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-10-06 12:40 BK MetaData " Manfred Spraul
2002-10-06 13:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:48   ` Marek Habersack
2002-10-06 16:26     ` Manfred Spraul
2002-10-06 19:11       ` Marek Habersack
2002-10-06 16:29   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 16:22     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  0:11 Hell.Surfers

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