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From: Matt Porter <porter@cox.net>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: giduru@yahoo.com, andre@linux-ide.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The end of embedded Linux?
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:22:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021007092212.B18610@home.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021005.212832.102579077.davem@redhat.com>; from davem@redhat.com on Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 09:28:32PM -0700

On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 09:28:32PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote:
> Embedded applications tend to have issues which are entirely specific
> to that embedded project.  As such, those are things that do not
> belong in a general purpose OS.

Exactly, every application wants some of the finer details of
kernel operation tuned to their task.

> The common areas, like smaller hashtables or whatever, sure put a
> CONFIG_SMALL_KERNEL option in there and start submitting the
> one-liners here and there that do it.

Ahhh, but you just defeated the ideal of being able to customize
to task.  This is where the hallowed "the user is dumb" theory
bites us in the ass.  A single option to control all these sizing
issues reduces flexibility and that is what the embedded system
designer is looking for.  The ideal situation is if as we work
on all these areas where we can reduce size, we provide fine
grained options to tweak them (with a default desktop/server value
and a default "tiny" value).  You can have this CONFIG_TINY or
whatever, but then we should also provide the ability to tweak
the values exactly how we want in a specific application.  The
tweaking options can be buried under advanced kernel options
with the appropriate disclaimers about shooting yourself in
the foot.

Regards,
-- 
Matt Porter
porter@cox.net
This is Linux Country. On a quiet night, you can hear Windows reboot.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-10-07 15:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-05 19:36 The end of embedded Linux? Gigi Duru
2002-10-05 19:46 ` Francois Romieu
2002-10-05 19:49 ` Ben Greear
2002-10-05 19:53 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-05 20:52   ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-05 20:58     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-06  1:54       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07 23:28       ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-06  0:46     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  1:52     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-06 20:20       ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07  2:01         ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-06  4:28     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 16:53       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 18:50         ` george anzinger
2002-10-07 10:06         ` simon
2002-10-07 10:36           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 11:57             ` Russell King
2002-10-07 12:10               ` Abraham vd Merwe
2002-10-07 14:12                 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 16:05               ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 16:02                 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 16:20                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-07 16:38                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 16:53                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-07 17:45                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 18:11                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 18:54                       ` george anzinger
2002-10-07 19:11                         ` Russell King
2002-10-07 20:05                           ` Ben Greear
2002-10-12 10:08                       ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-10-14 12:26                       ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-10-07 17:15             ` simon
2002-10-07 17:24               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 20:22               ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 22:22                 ` Christer Weinigel
2002-10-07 22:52                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 22:56                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-09 11:19                     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-10-08 10:11                 ` simon
2002-10-08 11:11                   ` jbradford
2002-10-08 11:53                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-08 12:09                       ` jbradford
2002-10-08 11:25                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-08 11:25                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-08 20:04                     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:53                       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-08 22:38                         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 11:27                   ` jw schultz
2002-10-09  7:37                     ` Alexander Kellett
2002-10-09 11:49                       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-09 11:53                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-09 19:17                           ` jbradford
2002-10-09 23:49                             ` jw schultz
2002-10-13 16:30                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-09 12:42                       ` Ian Molton
2002-10-10  4:47                       ` Shane Nay
2002-10-08 15:52                   ` David Lang
2002-10-09 10:53                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-07 10:55           ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-07 17:20             ` simon
2002-10-07 22:59               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 23:18                 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 16:15         ` Matt Porter
2002-10-07 16:22       ` Matt Porter [this message]
2002-10-07 16:41         ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 21:56           ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07 19:44             ` Rob Landley
2002-10-08 13:22               ` Thomas Molina
2002-10-08 16:34                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 23:20           ` Matt Porter
2002-10-07 19:50             ` Rob Landley
2002-10-08 15:04               ` Matt Porter
2002-10-08 16:52                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-09 11:38                   ` Adrian Bunk
2002-10-09 12:15                     ` [patch] show Fusion MPT dialog only when CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD is set Adrian Bunk
2002-10-09 19:55                       ` Rob Landley
2002-10-09 19:54                     ` [PATCH]: Move Fusion MPT config menu into scsi driver support (was Re: The end of embedded Linux?) Rob Landley
2002-10-07 23:01         ` The end of embedded Linux? Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 23:23           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 23:47             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-08  0:06               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-08  1:23             ` Xcytame@yahoo.es
2002-10-06 13:02     ` Ian Molton
2002-10-05 19:53 ` jbradford
2002-10-05 22:23 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-10-05 23:28   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-06  1:57     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-12  4:01   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-12  4:09     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-06  0:36 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:41 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-06  0:50   ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-06  1:00     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-06  0:44 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-06 22:24   ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:54     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-07  1:33     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07 22:25     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07  9:10 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0210061854190.24860-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2002-10-07  5:38 ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07  5:42   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  6:06     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 12:04   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 12:00     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 12:32       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 12:29         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 13:06   ` Dana Lacoste
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-10-07 20:04 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-07 23:01 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08  0:10   ` jw schultz
2002-10-08  9:36 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-08  9:51 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-08 20:00 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 12:05 Hicks, Jamey
2002-10-12 20:45 Hell.Surfers

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