public inbox for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Craig Dickson <crdic@pacbell.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New BK License Problem?
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:43:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021007104303.Q14596@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021007171812.GB13653@linux700.localnet>; from crdic@pacbell.net on Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 10:18:12AM -0700

On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 10:18:12AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote:
> Larry McVoy wrote:
> 
> > It always was and always will be a feature that it is easy to get in
> > and get *out* of BK. We may be pains in the butt on the license front
> > but once you are using BK, if you have to get the data out, BK makes
> > that as pleasant as can possibly be made.
> 
> This is all very well, but is this not something that might change if
> someone else were to come into control of the company? It isn't hard to
> imagine some future BitMover CEO with a more Microsoft-like mentality
> looking at the product and thinking, "This 'ease of getting data out'
> has to go -- we need to make it less convenient for our customers to
> defect."

Yup.  Don't know what to do about it other than stay in charge.  If it
weren't for interactions like this with the community, I could make a
compelling case that giving away the software and maintaining the status
quo is in the best interests of BitMover.  As it stands right now, we
do it only because I insist on it and I own more stock than anyone else.

My goal is to arrive at some sort of reasonable point, put this flamage
behind us, and live happily ever after.  

We definitely derive benefit from having the kernel in BK.  It stresses
it, the kernel team has hard problems that we have no choice but to fix,
the product is better and continues to get better because of it.  The fact
that it works with what you guys do to it validates the product, that's
an important thing for us.  The so-called PR value is definitely offset
by the negative PR value we get from things like this weekend.  I think
I could make that go away simply by unsubscribing from the kernel list.
That's not very realistic, I like being on the list.  Another way to make
it go away is hire Chris Mason and get him to do for me what he did for
Hans.  Hans and I share some of that shoot-yourself-in-the-foot behaviour.
When Hans got Chris and Chris became the defacto interface to the outside
world I believe that was a turning point for the acceptance of resierfs.
Sometimes we are our own worst enemies.  So I need a Chris for BitMover.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy            	 lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-10-07 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 177+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-07 17:18 New BK License Problem? Craig Dickson
2002-10-07 17:19 ` David Lang
2002-10-07 17:43 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-10-07 21:27 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-07 17:10 Craig Dickson
2002-10-07 17:35 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 19:30   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-07 20:37     ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found] <fa.fl3olav.51slo1@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.chp9htv.i4632g@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-05 14:30   ` walt
2002-10-05 15:10     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 15:30       ` jbradford
2002-10-05 15:57       ` tom_gall
2002-10-05 23:44         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  0:19       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:30         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  0:51           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:53             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  1:00               ` Robert Love
2002-10-06  5:24                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  7:58                   ` Willy Tarreau
2002-10-05 16:18     ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 17:28       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:12         ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-06 17:43         ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-10-06 17:58           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 18:33             ` jbradford
2002-10-06 18:38               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 21:17                 ` Florian Weimer
2002-10-06 21:26                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 21:33                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  5:24                     ` jbradford
2002-10-06 18:56               ` FD Cami
2002-10-06 18:39             ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-06 21:22             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  1:29             ` Rob Landley
2002-10-10 21:19             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-11 13:39               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-04 20:55 tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 21:33   ` tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:38     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 22:16       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-04 22:36         ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05  0:04           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05  0:32             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05  1:54               ` John Levon
2002-10-05 10:26             ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05 10:23               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05  0:50     ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06  2:17       ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-04 23:02   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-04 23:33     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 23:28       ` David S. Miller
     [not found]       ` <20021005003840.GQ710@gallifrey>
     [not found]         ` <20021004174501.Q835@work.bitmover.com>
     [not found]           ` <20021005005344.GR710@gallifrey>
     [not found]             ` <20021004180600.R835@work.bitmover.com>
     [not found]               ` <20021005011706.GU710@gallifrey>
     [not found]                 ` <20021004185325.V835@work.bitmover.com>
2002-10-05 11:54                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-05 17:54   ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:25     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 18:35       ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:41       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-10-05 19:06         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 19:24           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 19:43             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:51               ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-06  0:42                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 20:21               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 23:28                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:50                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-05 23:44                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-05 23:53                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  3:40                       ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-06  8:28                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  8:46                         ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06  9:06                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  9:24                             ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 14:03                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 14:18                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:27                             ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 21:13                               ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:04                                 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:15                                   ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:24                                     ` Dave Jones
2002-10-08 22:20                                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:31                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-08 22:26                                       ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:45                                         ` Dave Jones
2002-10-08 22:06                                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:15                                   ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 22:25                                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:53                                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:49                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  4:43                     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06  5:50                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06  7:43                       ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06  8:13                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  9:21                         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 16:38                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-06 17:02                           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:12                             ` Russell King
2002-10-06 21:06                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 17:03                           ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06 23:05                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  0:42                               ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06  8:00                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 11:04                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:57                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 11:24                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:59                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:10                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06  4:25                 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06  9:00                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  3:35               ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-05 19:47             ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-05 19:54               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:56                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:01                   ` Ben Collins
2002-10-07  2:10                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  2:29                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:38                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  3:07                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:03                 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:33                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:45                     ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:59                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 23:15                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 19:06                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:19                     ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:24                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:37                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:54                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 21:10                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-08  9:11                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-08  1:05                             ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-06  0:34             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:45               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:15         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:46           ` jbradford
2002-10-06 22:18           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 23:54             ` Jeff Dike
2002-10-06 22:57               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:57               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 13:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 13:59         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:56           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:22             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:15               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:39                 ` Alexandre Dulaunoy
2002-10-07  1:21                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07  6:29                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:27                     ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 15:43                   ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-07 16:06                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 16:18                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 16:30               ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-07  9:37                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-07 14:50                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 18:45                     ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-06 21:31               ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2002-10-06 22:05                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 22:16                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:19                   ` Robert Love
2002-10-06 22:36                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 23:22                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-06 13:59         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06 14:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:53         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:37           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06  0:27     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:32       ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06  0:53         ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 13:10 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 22:53   ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-05 23:21     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:49       ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-06  0:48     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 19:21       ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-05 13:17 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 13:48   ` FD Cami
2002-10-05 13:41     ` Hans Reiser

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20021007104303.Q14596@work.bitmover.com \
    --to=lm@bitmover.com \
    --cc=crdic@pacbell.net \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox