From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Crispin Cowan <crispin@wirex.com>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
torvalds@transmeta.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@wirex.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] remove sys_security
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:05:43 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021018140543.C1670@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3DAFCE1B.805@wirex.com>; from crispin@wirex.com on Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 02:02:19AM -0700
On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 02:02:19AM -0700, Crispin Cowan wrote:
> * root may not follow non-root symlinks in certain circumstances
> (prevent some temp file attacks)
> * non-root may not create a hard-link to root-owned files in certain
> circumstances (prevent some other temp file attacks)
> * may not ptrace root processes (preventing further recurrance of
> the bugs in ptrace over the last year or so)
>
> These policies help a lot to secure a system. But these policies also
> break some things, so it is good that they be a loadable module, and not
> a proposed Linux patch.
All three are actually very good examples on how your "Security"
modules work around problems instead of fixing thev actual cause.
Instead of adding hacks for tempfile races you rather want to
give each user a private namesapace and it's own /tmp (IMHO
we should also get rid of symlinks entirely, but they're in too wide
use nowdays unfortunately).
And ptrace _really_ _really_ needs to be replaced by a sane debug
interface, like the plan9 procfs-based debugging.
But instead of attaking these causes security folks like wirex just
implement fuzzy busword mechanisms that are selable to managers.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-10-18 12:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-10-17 18:50 [PATCH] remove sys_security Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 18:53 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 18:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 19:07 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:10 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 7:04 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 7:07 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 8:31 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 8:29 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 12:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 15:04 ` Greg KH
2002-10-19 2:05 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 7:11 ` Greg KH
2002-10-18 7:28 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-18 9:02 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 13:05 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2002-10-18 15:14 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2002-10-18 15:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 16:30 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 16:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 16:53 ` Greg KH
2002-10-18 16:54 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 17:15 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-18 22:36 ` Chris Wright
2002-10-21 13:54 ` Mike Wray
2002-10-21 14:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-21 16:44 ` Mike Wray
2002-10-21 17:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 20:36 ` David Wagner
2002-10-18 17:44 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-18 16:38 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 16:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-18 9:09 ` David Wagner
2002-10-18 10:14 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 12:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 21:00 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 21:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 21:37 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 21:49 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 22:14 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 22:22 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-23 0:35 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 11:43 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-23 11:59 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 14:27 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 14:54 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 16:09 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 16:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-23 16:34 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 16:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-23 16:51 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-24 6:26 ` Nathan Scott
2002-10-24 8:45 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 20:45 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-21 13:57 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-21 21:12 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-21 21:17 ` Greg KH
2002-10-22 12:22 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-17 20:20 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 20:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:28 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 19:05 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 20:18 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 20:36 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:38 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 20:58 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:58 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 22:09 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 22:07 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 22:19 ` Greg KH
2002-10-18 8:00 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 7:57 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 13:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 21:54 ` David Wagner
2002-10-17 22:36 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 23:04 ` Chris Wright
2002-10-17 23:08 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 14:24 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2002-10-17 22:51 ` Andreas Steinmetz
2002-10-17 22:51 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 17:47 ` Daniel Egger
2002-10-17 23:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 22:56 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 23:09 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 23:10 ` Chris Wright
2002-10-17 23:10 ` Andreas Steinmetz
2002-10-18 13:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 23:11 ` Greg KH
[not found] <20021017201030.GA384@kroah.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <20021017211223.A8095@infradead.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <3DAFB260.5000206@wirex.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <20021018.000738.05626464.davem@redhat.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <3DAFC6E7.9000302@wirex.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-10-18 9:25 ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18 9:36 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 9:44 ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18 9:55 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 10:13 ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18 17:24 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-18 11:43 ` Andreas Ferber
[not found] <20021023155457.L2732@redhat.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <Pine.GSO.4.33.0210231112420.7042-100000@raven.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-10-23 16:33 ` Andi Kleen
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