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From: Tom Rini <trini@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Mark Mielke <mark@mark.mielke.cc>
Cc: Adrian Bunk <bunk@fs.tum.de>, Rasmus Andersen <rasmus@jaquet.dk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: CONFIG_TINY
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:24:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021031172405.GB30193@opus.bloom.county> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021031171240.GE8565@mark.mielke.cc>

On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 12:12:40PM -0500, Mark Mielke wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 10:04:20AM -0700, Tom Rini wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 11:51:13AM -0500, Mark Mielke wrote:
> > > Or specified more clearly: If the compiler optimization flag is
> > > configurable, choosing CONFIG_TINY should default the optimization flag
> > > to -Os before it defaults the optimization flag to -O2.
> > You're still missing the point of flexibility remark.  Changing the
> > optimization level has nothing to do with CONFIG_TINY, and is a
> > generally useful option, and should be done seperate from CONFIG_TINY.
> > In fact people seem to be getting the wrong idea about CONFIG_TINY.  We
> > ...
> 
> Please read it again... even if the optimization flag was
> configurable, choosing CONFIG_TINY should *default* the optimization
> flag to -Os before it defaults the optimization flag to -O2.

Yes, and I'm saying that CONFIG_TINY shouldn't exist.  It should be
CONFIG_FINE_TUNE (or so), to allow anyone to fine tune the optimization
level.  Changing optimization levels is a speed / size tradeoff (if it
wasn't, there wouldn't be -O2 / -Os, they would do the same thing) which
you cannot pick a sane default for.

> In the case where CONFIG_TINY is an option on its own, it means using -Os
> instead of -O2. In the case where CONFIG_TINY is a template *not an option*,
> the configurable "optimization flag" gets initialized to -Os. You could
> still override -Os to be -O2 if you wanted to, or if CONFIG_TINY was not
> specified, you could still override -O2 to be -Os... the default is -Os for
> CONFIG_TINY.

You're still falling into the 'embedded must mean small!' trap.  The
template should default to the well tested -O2, not the less tested
-Os.

-- 
Tom Rini (TR1265)
http://gate.crashing.org/~trini/

  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-31 17:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-30 22:36 CONFIG_TINY Rasmus Andersen
2002-10-30 23:48 ` CONFIG_TINY Rik van Riel
2002-10-31  0:53 ` CONFIG_TINY Adrian Bunk
2002-10-31  1:10   ` CONFIG_TINY Tom Rini
2002-10-31  5:33     ` CONFIG_TINY Mark Mielke
2002-10-31 14:33       ` CONFIG_TINY Tom Rini
2002-10-31 16:51         ` CONFIG_TINY Mark Mielke
2002-10-31 17:04           ` CONFIG_TINY Tom Rini
2002-10-31 17:12             ` CONFIG_TINY Mark Mielke
2002-10-31 17:24               ` Tom Rini [this message]
2002-10-31 17:49                 ` CONFIG_TINY Sam Ravnborg
2002-10-31 18:11                   ` CONFIG_TINY Tom Rini
2002-11-01  2:09                 ` CONFIG_TINY Bill Davidsen
2002-11-01 14:12                   ` CONFIG_TINY Tom Rini
2002-10-31 18:26             ` CONFIG_TINY Kent Borg
2002-10-31 18:53               ` CONFIG_TINY Tom Rini
2002-11-04  2:13                 ` CONFIG_TINY Rob Landley
2002-11-04 19:50                   ` CONFIG_TINY Tom Rini
2002-11-04 20:34                     ` CONFIG_TINY Cort Dougan
2002-11-04 16:16                       ` CONFIG_TINY Rob Landley
2002-11-04 22:30                         ` CONFIG_TINY Eli Carter
2002-11-01  2:10             ` CONFIG_TINY Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-31 21:12           ` CONFIG_TINY Luc Van Oostenryck
2002-10-31 17:08         ` CONFIG_TINY Matt Porter
2002-10-31 16:52           ` CONFIG_TINY Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-10-31 18:43             ` CONFIG_TINY Rasmus Andersen
2002-10-31 19:15               ` CONFIG_TINY Tom Rini
2002-10-31 19:27                 ` CONFIG_TINY Rasmus Andersen
2002-11-01 14:19                   ` CONFIG_TINY Tom Rini
2002-10-31 23:30               ` CONFIG_TINY Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-11-01  6:17                 ` CONFIG_TINY Rasmus Andersen
2002-11-01 22:05                   ` CONFIG_TINY Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-11-01 22:10                     ` CONFIG_TINY Rasmus Andersen
2002-11-01  2:03     ` CONFIG_TINY Bill Davidsen
2002-11-01 14:15       ` CONFIG_TINY Tom Rini
2002-11-04  2:13         ` CONFIG_TINY Rob Landley
2002-11-04 19:51           ` CONFIG_TINY Tom Rini
2002-11-04 16:09             ` CONFIG_TINY Rob Landley
2002-11-05 19:26             ` CONFIG_TINY Bill Davidsen
2002-11-05 19:56               ` CONFIG_TINY Tom Rini
2002-11-05 17:55                 ` CONFIG_TINY Rob Landley
2002-11-06  2:05                   ` CONFIG_TINY Tom Rini
2002-11-06 14:35                   ` CONFIG_TINY Bill Davidsen
2002-11-05 19:59               ` CONFIG_TINY Alan Cox
2002-10-31  8:24   ` CONFIG_TINY Rasmus Andersen
2002-10-31 10:05     ` CONFIG_TINY Erik Andersen
2002-10-31 10:08       ` CONFIG_TINY Rasmus Andersen
2002-10-31 11:08         ` CONFIG_TINY Erik Andersen
2002-10-31 19:33     ` CONFIG_TINY Daniel Egger
2002-10-31 19:55       ` CONFIG_TINY Rasmus Andersen
2002-10-31  8:32 ` CONFIG_TINY Jens Axboe
2002-10-31  8:53   ` CONFIG_TINY Rasmus Andersen

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