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From: Jesse Pollard <pollard@admin.navo.hpc.mil>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Dax Kelson <dax@gurulabs.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <davej@suse.de>
Subject: Re: Filesystem Capabilities in 2.6?
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:58:54 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200211040858.54578.pollard@admin.navo.hpc.mil> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211021025420.2413-100000@home.transmeta.com>

On Saturday 02 November 2002 12:47 pm, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Clearly inode numbers are a bad way to handle it, but I don't think inode
> attributes are that great either. I would personally prefer directory
> entry attributes, so that the same file can show up with different
> behaviour in different places.

So how would hard links be handled? Ignore the capability specified for
the file?

> I think it was a mistake to have permissions be part of the inode in the
> first place, but that's UNIX for you. A direntry-based approach is _so_
> much more flexible, and doesn't really have any downsides.

That was a conscious decision to ensure that the ownership, and mode
bits remained associated with a file no matter how the file is accessed (full
path, relative path, hard link, or inode number). It also meant that there was
only one place that might need to be updated if the permissions were
changed. If they were in directories then all directories containing a
link to the file would have to be updated (assuming you could find them
efficiently).

Since all accesses HAD to go through the inode, it forced the security
information to be united with the file, and could not be misplaced.

> (Having attributes in the direntry also makes it possible to much more
> efficiently scan directories for types of files without having to look up
> the inode information).

True, but a hard link would bypass whatever capabilities were assigned
to the file. Also, what happens on things like mv or cp. Since mv
only puts a name in the target directory with the inode number it
would appear that any capabilities assigned to the file would be lost.
Although cp should loose the capabilities, I would expect mv to preserve them.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jesse I Pollard, II
Email: pollard@navo.hpc.mil

Any opinions expressed are solely my own.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-11-04 14:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-11-01  8:49 Rusty's Remarkably Unreliable List of Pending 2.6 Features Rusty Russell
2002-11-01 16:19 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-11-02  6:32   ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-01 18:32 ` Filesystem Capabilities in 2.6? Dax Kelson
2002-11-01 19:05   ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-11-01 22:07     ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-01 23:25       ` Jan Harkes
2002-11-04 17:51         ` Mark H. Wood
2002-11-01 22:07   ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-01 22:59   ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-02 13:41     ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-02  7:06   ` Theodore Ts'o
2002-11-02 13:38     ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-02 18:18       ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-02 22:57       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-02 18:35     ` Dax Kelson
2002-11-06  1:07       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-02 18:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-02 23:02       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-02 23:11       ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-11-03  0:18       ` Rik van Riel
2002-11-03  0:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03  0:43           ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03  0:52             ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-04 13:02             ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-03  0:47           ` Rik van Riel
2002-11-03  1:53             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03  1:05           ` David D. Hagood
2002-11-03  2:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03 13:55               ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-05  8:47               ` Rogier Wolff
2002-11-05 10:50                 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-03  1:27           ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03  2:43             ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-03 12:46               ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03  0:56       ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-03  2:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03  2:21           ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03  3:23             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03  3:35               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03  4:28                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 13:03                   ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 14:51                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 16:50                       ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 16:56                         ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 16:56                           ` yodaiken
2002-11-03 18:13                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03 18:25                               ` yodaiken
2002-11-03 18:42                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-04  0:40                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-11-03  7:36                 ` Hacksaw
2002-11-03  8:59                   ` Kai Henningsen
2002-11-03 10:50                     ` Hacksaw
2002-11-04  8:55                       ` Rando Christensen
2002-11-03 12:57                 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 15:20                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-03 16:30                     ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2002-11-03 16:40                       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-03 17:10                       ` Alan Cox
2002-11-09 20:11                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-10 22:50                       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-03 13:55                 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-03  3:50               ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-03  4:00                 ` Dax Kelson
2002-11-03  4:10                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-03 13:55                     ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-03  4:20                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03  4:37                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03  4:54                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03  5:09                       ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03  5:39                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03  6:37                           ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03  7:16                             ` Dax Kelson
2002-11-03  9:18                               ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 20:35                               ` Michal Jaegermann
2002-11-04  9:25                               ` Antti Salmela
2002-11-04 12:24                                 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-04 14:39                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2002-11-04 15:13                       ` Jesse Pollard
2002-11-03  5:03                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-03  5:25                     ` Dax Kelson
2002-11-03  5:52                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-03  6:46                       ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 12:53                         ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 13:52                       ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-03 14:38                         ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 16:01                           ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-03 16:09                             ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03 12:51                   ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 21:02                     ` Ryan Anderson
2002-11-03  3:36             ` [REPORT] current use of capabilities Dax Kelson
2002-11-03 13:57               ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-05 12:14               ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2002-11-03  4:04             ` Filesystem Capabilities in 2.6? Dax Kelson
2002-11-03  4:10               ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-03  5:31               ` Erik Andersen
2002-11-03  5:37                 ` Dax Kelson
2002-11-03  5:42                   ` Erik Andersen
2002-11-03  6:07                     ` Dax Kelson
2002-11-03 22:24                       ` Anders Gustafsson
2002-11-03 15:13             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-03 12:45           ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 15:49             ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-04 15:00               ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-04 15:51                 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-04 16:53                   ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-04 17:23                     ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-03 13:30           ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-03 15:11           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-04  2:49           ` Jan Harkes
2002-11-04 14:50             ` Theodore Ts'o
2002-11-04 15:33               ` Alan Cox
2002-11-04 20:35                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-11-04 21:50                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-04 14:58       ` Jesse Pollard [this message]
2002-11-05 23:47       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-06 13:36         ` Jesse Pollard
2002-11-05  4:14   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2002-11-05 14:48     ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-11-05 15:05       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-11-03  0:31 Albert D. Cahalan
2002-11-03  3:15 ` john slee
2002-11-06  0:00 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-05  0:11 Tom Reinhart

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