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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
Cc: Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>,
	Linux Scsi Mailing List <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Subject: Re: Why /dev/sdc1 doesn't show up...
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:52:25 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021119055636.94C182C088@lists.samba.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:49:21 +1100."

> right).  Or you can run a notifier on "enlivening" a module: I'd hoped
> to avoid that.

Actually, after some thought, this seems to clearly be the Right
Thing, because it solves another existing race.  Consider a module
which does:

	if (!register_foo(&my_foo))
		goto cleanup;
	if (!create_proc_entry(&my_entry))
		goto cleanup_foo;

If register_foo() calls /sbin/hotplug, the module can still fail to
load and /sbin/hotplug is called for something that doesn't exist.
With the new module loader, you can also have /sbin/hotplug try to
access the module before it's gone live, which will fail to prevent
the "using before we know module won't fail init" race.

Now, if you run /sbin/hotplug out of a notifier which is fired when
the module actually goes live, this problem vanishes.  It also means
we can block module unload until /sbin/hotplug is run.

The part that makes this feel like the Right Thing is that adding to
init/main.c:

	/* THIS_MODULE == NULL */
	notifier_call_chain(&module_notifiers, MODULE_LIVE, NULL);

means that /sbin/hotplug is called for everything which was registered
at boot.  (We may not want to do this, but in general the symmetry
seems really nice).

[ Note: the logic for /sbin/hotplug applies to any similar "publicity"
  function which promises that something now exists. ]

Al, thoughts?
Rusty.
--
  Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. -- Rusty Russell.

             reply	other threads:[~2002-11-19  5:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-11-19  5:52 Rusty Russell [this message]
2002-11-19  7:12 ` Why /dev/sdc1 doesn't show up Alexander Viro
2002-11-19 21:29   ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-19 22:33   ` Andries Brouwer
2002-11-19 16:06 ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-19 17:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-11-19 21:42   ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-20 23:41   ` john slee
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-11-17 19:52 Doug Ledford
2002-11-17 20:01 ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-17 20:12   ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-17 20:16   ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-17 23:20 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-11-17 23:45   ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-18  8:52 ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-18  9:51   ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-18 23:49     ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-19  0:08       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-19 20:54         ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-20 15:45           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-24 22:30             ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-19  0:09       ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-19 20:58         ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-19  0:32       ` Alan Cox
2002-11-18 10:02   ` Roman Zippel

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