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From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
To: ak@suse.de
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Start of compat32.h (again)
Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 02:16:29 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021202.021629.93360250.davem@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021202090756.GA26034@wotan.suse.de>

   From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
   Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:07:56 +0100
   
   > BTW, I bet your dynamic relocation tables are a bit larger too.
   
   Somewhat, but does it matter?  They are not kept in memory anyways.

It's all about how much data a ld.so relocation has to touch.  But
preloading will help out here, even though that isn't in wide spread
use just yet.

And I was talking about user stack usage, not the kernel kind
:-)

Andi, do something very simple like run -m32 vs -m64 microbenchmarks,
I bet -m32 beats -m64 in all the lmbench lat_proc tests.  On sparc64
it's (on a 2-way SMP system):

-m32 fork+exit:		360.8328 microseconds
-m32 fork+execve:	1342.2213 microseconds
-m32 fork+/bin/sh:	5497.0149 microseconds

-m64 fork+exit:		553.9076 microseconds
-m64 fork+execve:	1904.6315 microseconds
-m64 fork+/bin/sh:	6268.6932 microseconds

NOTE: make sure you change /bin/sh to be 32-bit/64-bit as
      appropriate in the tests above.

So what is this on x86_64? :-) I think lat_proc is great becuase it
shows pure libc overhead in continually relocating the exit()
etc. symbols in the child for fork+exit, for example.

The reason I'm making such a stink about this is that I don't want
people believing that "the code generation improvements due to the
extra x86_64 registers available nullifies the bloat cost from
going to 64-bit"

To me, believe that is an utterly bogus claim and completely
misleading.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-12-02 10:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <1038804400.4411.4.camel@rth.ninka.net.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-12-02  8:13   ` [PATCH] Start of compat32.h (again) Andi Kleen
2002-12-02  8:28     ` David S. Miller
2002-12-02  9:07       ` Andi Kleen
2002-12-02  9:36         ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-12-02 17:01           ` Mikael Pettersson
2002-12-02 10:16         ` David S. Miller [this message]
2002-12-04 11:19           ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-05 21:06             ` David S. Miller
2002-12-05 21:21               ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-05 21:22                 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-05 21:32                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-27  7:42 Stephen Rothwell
2002-11-27  7:58 ` David S. Miller
2002-11-27 13:00   ` Stephen Rothwell
2002-11-28  5:27     ` David S. Miller
2002-11-27 18:51   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-28  5:34     ` David S. Miller
2002-11-27  8:00 ` David Mosberger
2002-11-27  8:06   ` David S. Miller
2002-11-27  8:29   ` Andi Kleen
2002-11-27  8:46     ` David Mosberger
2002-11-27  9:01       ` Andi Kleen
2002-11-27  9:57       ` David S. Miller
2002-11-27 17:10         ` David Mosberger
2002-11-28  5:29           ` David S. Miller
2002-11-27 12:49     ` Alan Cox
2002-11-30 20:34     ` Ralf Baechle
2002-11-27 17:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-28  5:22   ` Stephen Rothwell
2002-11-28  5:26     ` David S. Miller
2002-11-29  2:36       ` Stephen Rothwell
2002-12-01 18:54       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-02  4:46         ` David S. Miller
2002-12-02  4:57           ` Stephen Rothwell
2002-12-02  6:17             ` David S. Miller
2002-12-02  7:39           ` Richard Henderson
2002-12-02  7:44             ` David S. Miller
2002-12-02  7:59             ` Ralf Baechle
2002-12-02  8:01               ` David S. Miller
2002-12-04 11:22                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-05 21:04                   ` David S. Miller
2002-11-28  5:31   ` David S. Miller

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