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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] generic device DMA implementation
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:48:23 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200212061648.gB6GmNX01862@localhost.localdomain> (raw)

> These systems simply do not exist.

Yes, they do.  The parisc pcxs and pcxt processors are the prime example that 
has annoyed me for a while.  This has no ability to control the cache at the 
page level  (it doesn't even seem to allow fully disabling the processor 
cache---not that you'd want to do that).  The result is that it cannot ever 
return consistent memory, so pci_alloc_consistent always fails (see 
arch/parisc/kernel/pci-dma.c:fail_alloc_consistent).  I have one of these 
machines (A HP9000/715) and I maintain the driver for the SCSI chip, which 
also needs to work efficiently on the intel platform, which is what got me 
first thinking about the problem.

Let me say again:  I don't envisage any driver writer worrying about this edge 
case, unless they're already implementing work arounds for it now.

I plan to maintain the current pci_ DMA API exactly as it is, with no 
deviations.  Thus the dma_ API too can be operated in full compatibility mode 
with the pci_ API.  That's the design intent.  However, I want the dma_ API to 
simplify this driver edge case for me (and for others who have to maintain 
similar drivers), which is why it allows a deviation from the pci_ API *if the 
driver writer asks for it*.

James





             reply	other threads:[~2002-12-06 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-12-06 16:48 James Bottomley [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-12-07 14:37 [RFC] generic device DMA implementation Adam J. Richter
2002-12-07  4:12 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:52 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:17 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:26 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 22:29   ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 22:48     ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 22:49       ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 22:32   ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-12-06 17:39 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 18:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 17:07 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:19 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 18:17 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 18:29   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 18:31     ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 18:40       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 18:42         ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 21:04           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-12-07 10:19       ` David Gibson
2002-12-06 18:36   ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 18:38     ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06  7:41 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 15:50 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06  7:14 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:26 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 17:48   ` Miles Bader
2002-12-07  9:56   ` David Gibson
2002-12-07  9:45 ` David Gibson
2002-12-07 11:26   ` Russell King
2002-12-08  5:28     ` David Gibson
2002-12-06  6:15 David Brownell
2002-12-06  2:08 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06  2:53 ` David Gibson
2002-12-06  4:03   ` David S. Miller
2002-12-05 20:27 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 17:49 Manfred Spraul
2002-12-06  0:08 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 12:21 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 12:44 ` Russell King
2002-12-05 12:13 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 11:57 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06  0:06 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  5:20 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05  3:02 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05  6:15 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  1:21 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05  2:40 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  2:49   ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05  6:12     ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  0:43 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05  0:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05  2:02 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-04 17:47 James Bottomley
2002-12-04 18:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-04 19:36   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-04 21:19 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:21 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:42   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  5:44     ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:46   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  2:31     ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05  3:06       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  5:02       ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 11:15     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-12-05 11:16       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-12-05 15:12       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  0:47 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  0:54   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05  1:44   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  2:38     ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  3:13       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  5:05         ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 15:03           ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 23:54             ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  3:17       ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05  6:06         ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  6:43           ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05 23:44             ` David Gibson
2002-12-06  2:23               ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05  3:41       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05  6:04         ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 16:29           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05 23:59             ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 11:08   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-12-05 11:35     ` Russell King
2002-12-05 15:24       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06  0:01     ` David Gibson

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