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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: venom@sns.it
Cc: Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@gmx.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, andre@linux-ide.org
Subject: Re: Honest does not pay here ...
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:30:50 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030108003050.GF17310@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0301080059460.24706-100000@cibs9.sns.it>


> In very semplicistic words:
> In 2.5/2.6 kernels, non GPL modules have a big
> penalty, because they cannot create their own queue, but have to use a default
> one.

I may be showing my ignorance here (won't be the first time) but this makes
me wonder if Linux could provide a way to do "user level drivers".  I.e.,
drivers which ran in kernel mode but in the context of a process and had
to talk to the real kernel via pipes or whatever.  It's a fair amount of
plumbing but could have the advantage of being a more stable interface
for the drivers. 

If you think about it, drivers are more or less open/close/read/write/ioctl.
They need kernel privileges to do their thing but don't need (and shouldn't
have) access to all the guts of the kernel.

Can any well traveled driver people see this working or is it nuts?
-- 
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Larry McVoy            	 lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm 

  reply	other threads:[~2003-01-08  0:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-04 18:09 Honest does not pay here Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 22:03 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-05 22:53   ` David van Hoose
2003-01-05 23:14     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-06  0:22       ` David van Hoose
2003-01-06  9:31         ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-01-06 23:41         ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-06 23:59           ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-07  0:07           ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-07  0:51             ` Steven Barnhart
2003-01-07  9:57               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-07 11:21                 ` Alexander Kellett
2003-01-07 23:04                 ` Daniel Egger
2003-01-07  1:24             ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 10:07               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-07 12:44                 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-12 23:36                 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 16:32               ` Bill Davidsen
2003-01-07 17:21                 ` Ryan Anderson
2003-01-07 18:33                 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-07 19:24                   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-01-07 20:58                   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-07 23:09                     ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-08  0:24                       ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-07 23:35                   ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 23:33                 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 14:24           ` Dana Lacoste
2003-01-07 23:28             ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-08  0:24               ` venom
2003-01-08  0:30                 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2003-01-08  0:54                   ` venom
2003-01-08  1:10                     ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-08 10:08                       ` venom
2003-01-08 11:05                         ` Andre Hedrick
     [not found]                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.10.10301080249330.421-100000@master.linux-ide.o rg>
2003-01-08 15:25                           ` Stephen Satchell
2003-01-08  1:10                   ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-08  1:41                   ` Alan Cox
2003-01-08 14:59                   ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-10 14:30                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.1041987068.25081.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2003-01-08  4:19                   ` User mode drivers (Honest does not pay here ...) Pete Zaitcev
2003-01-08  6:17                     ` Dmitry A. Fedorov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-01-13  0:18 Honest does not pay here Adam J. Richter
2003-01-12  9:27 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-12 10:25 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-12 13:52 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-08  7:29 Hell.Surfers
2003-01-08 20:59 ` Philip Dodd
2003-01-09 23:27   ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.3.96.1030107112017.15952A-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.com>
2003-01-07 20:04 ` Steven Barnhart
2003-01-06  2:08 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 20:21 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 20:29 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-05 22:28   ` Trever L. Adams
2003-01-06  0:01     ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-06  0:15       ` Trever L. Adams
2003-01-06  1:43         ` Stephen Satchell
2003-01-06  7:40           ` Trever L. Adams
2003-01-06  8:37             ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-06  2:03         ` Ian Molton
2003-01-06  3:14         ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-06  2:18   ` jw schultz
2003-01-06  1:03 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-05 12:34 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 19:31 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-01-05 12:26 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 14:51 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-05 15:33 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-05 20:07   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-05 15:45 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-05  0:25 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05  3:21 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-05 11:24   ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-05 15:53   ` Matthew Zahorik
2003-01-05 18:16     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-05 19:47       ` Bruce Harada
2003-01-05 20:06         ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-05 22:54         ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-04 17:05 Billy Rose
2003-01-04 14:12 Andre Hedrick
2003-01-04 14:22 ` Murray J. Root
2003-01-04 14:28 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-01-04 14:49 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-04 15:28 ` Rik van Riel
2003-01-04 20:48   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-04 20:56     ` Mark Rutherford
2003-01-04 17:06 ` Steve Lee
2003-01-04 18:38 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-04 21:50 ` brian

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