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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
	venom@sns.it, Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@gmx.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, andre@linux-ide.org
Subject: Re: Honest does not pay here ...
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:30:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030110143018.GA193@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030108003050.GF17310@work.bitmover.com>

Hi!

> > In very semplicistic words:
> > In 2.5/2.6 kernels, non GPL modules have a big
> > penalty, because they cannot create their own queue, but have to use a default
> > one.
> 
> I may be showing my ignorance here (won't be the first time) but this makes
> me wonder if Linux could provide a way to do "user level drivers".  I.e.,
> drivers which ran in kernel mode but in the context of a process and had
> to talk to the real kernel via pipes or whatever.  It's a fair amount of
> plumbing but could have the advantage of being a more stable interface
> for the drivers. 

You don't need kernel mode to touch hw.

> If you think about it, drivers are more or less open/close/read/write/ioctl.
> They need kernel privileges to do their thing but don't need (and shouldn't
> have) access to all the guts of the kernel.
> 
> Can any well traveled driver people see this working or is it nuts?

Well, nbd was originally created just for that.

								Pavel

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-01-17 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-04 18:09 Honest does not pay here Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 22:03 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-05 22:53   ` David van Hoose
2003-01-05 23:14     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-06  0:22       ` David van Hoose
2003-01-06  9:31         ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-01-06 23:41         ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-06 23:59           ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-07  0:07           ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-07  0:51             ` Steven Barnhart
2003-01-07  9:57               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-07 11:21                 ` Alexander Kellett
2003-01-07 23:04                 ` Daniel Egger
2003-01-07  1:24             ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 10:07               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-07 12:44                 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-12 23:36                 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 16:32               ` Bill Davidsen
2003-01-07 17:21                 ` Ryan Anderson
2003-01-07 18:33                 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-07 19:24                   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-01-07 20:58                   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-07 23:09                     ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-08  0:24                       ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-07 23:35                   ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 23:33                 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 14:24           ` Dana Lacoste
2003-01-07 23:28             ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-08  0:24               ` venom
2003-01-08  0:30                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-08  0:54                   ` venom
2003-01-08  1:10                     ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-08 10:08                       ` venom
2003-01-08 11:05                         ` Andre Hedrick
     [not found]                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.10.10301080249330.421-100000@master.linux-ide.o rg>
2003-01-08 15:25                           ` Stephen Satchell
2003-01-08  1:10                   ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-08  1:41                   ` Alan Cox
2003-01-08 14:59                   ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-10 14:30                   ` Pavel Machek [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.1041987068.25081.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2003-01-08  4:19                   ` User mode drivers (Honest does not pay here ...) Pete Zaitcev
2003-01-08  6:17                     ` Dmitry A. Fedorov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-01-13  0:18 Honest does not pay here Adam J. Richter
2003-01-12  9:27 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-12 10:25 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-12 13:52 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-08  7:29 Hell.Surfers
2003-01-08 20:59 ` Philip Dodd
2003-01-09 23:27   ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.3.96.1030107112017.15952A-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.com>
2003-01-07 20:04 ` Steven Barnhart
2003-01-06  2:08 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 20:21 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 20:29 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-05 22:28   ` Trever L. Adams
2003-01-06  0:01     ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-06  0:15       ` Trever L. Adams
2003-01-06  1:43         ` Stephen Satchell
2003-01-06  7:40           ` Trever L. Adams
2003-01-06  8:37             ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-06  2:03         ` Ian Molton
2003-01-06  3:14         ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-06  2:18   ` jw schultz
2003-01-06  1:03 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-05 12:34 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 19:31 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-01-05 12:26 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 14:51 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-05 15:33 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-05 20:07   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-05 15:45 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-05  0:25 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05  3:21 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-05 11:24   ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-05 15:53   ` Matthew Zahorik
2003-01-05 18:16     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-05 19:47       ` Bruce Harada
2003-01-05 20:06         ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-05 22:54         ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-04 17:05 Billy Rose
2003-01-04 14:12 Andre Hedrick
2003-01-04 14:22 ` Murray J. Root
2003-01-04 14:28 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-01-04 14:49 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-04 15:28 ` Rik van Riel
2003-01-04 20:48   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-04 20:56     ` Mark Rutherford
2003-01-04 17:06 ` Steve Lee
2003-01-04 18:38 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-04 21:50 ` brian

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