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From: Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Fixing the tty layer was Re: any chance of 2.6.0-test*?
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:06:32 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030113093632.GC15525@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030113091526.A12379@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 09:15:26AM +0000, Russell King wrote:
> > In that case would it not be better to replace all BKLs by a single tty
> > lock ?
> 
> No.  The tty layer relies on being able to safely reschedule with the
> BKL held.  If you replace it with a "tty lock" you need to find all
> those schedule() points throughout _every_ tty line discipline and
> tty driver and release that lock.

Yes, I get it now from this and Andi's mail. I hadn't thought about
that "special feature" of BKL :)

> 
> Basically, the tty later was written upon the assumption that there
> would be only _one_ thread of execution running tty code at any one
> time, and we only reschedule when we explicitly want to (which was
> the general kernel coding rule before we got spinlocks etc.)  Every
> point where a reschedule is possible, state checks are (should be)
> made to prevent races.

Hmm.. This understanding would make it easier for me to go take another look
at the tty layer.

> 
> When analysing the tty layer, you have to think not "what data does
> this protect" but "what code are we protecting".  Note that you must
> apply the same approach towards what were the global-cli points.
> 
> I don't think its the BKL points you have to worry about; they've
> stayed the same over many kernel versions.  The places that need
> deeper consideration are where the global-cli was replaced with the
> local-cli.  Obviously the latter is not a direct subsitute for the
> former.

BKL confused me here because I wasn't sure whether BKL was implicitly
protecting the tty driver code against anything else apart from itself.

Thanks
Dipankar

  reply	other threads:[~2003-01-13  9:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20030110165441$1a8a@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <20030110165505$38d9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-01-11 12:27   ` any chance of 2.6.0-test*? Andi Kleen
2003-01-11 13:01     ` Russell King
2003-01-11 13:13       ` Andi Kleen
2003-01-11 14:39     ` Alan Cox
2003-01-11 14:06       ` Andi Kleen
2003-01-11 15:31         ` Alan Cox
2003-01-11 15:25           ` Andi Kleen
2003-01-11 19:18             ` Alan Cox
2003-01-13  3:33               ` Paul Mackerras
2003-01-13 14:59                 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-13 18:36                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-01-14  2:32                   ` ide-cs problem (was Re: any chance of 2.6.0-test*?) Paul Mackerras
2003-01-19 16:05         ` any chance of 2.6.0-test*? Pavel Machek
     [not found]   ` <20030112094007$1647@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-01-12  9:56     ` Fixing the tty layer was " Andi Kleen
2003-01-13  6:41       ` Dipankar Sarma
2003-01-13  7:25         ` Andi Kleen
2003-01-13  8:12           ` Dipankar Sarma
2003-01-13  9:15             ` Russell King
2003-01-13  9:36               ` Dipankar Sarma [this message]
2003-01-13  6:45       ` Greg KH

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