From: Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Fixing the tty layer was Re: any chance of 2.6.0-test*?
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:06:32 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030113093632.GC15525@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030113091526.A12379@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>
On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 09:15:26AM +0000, Russell King wrote:
> > In that case would it not be better to replace all BKLs by a single tty
> > lock ?
>
> No. The tty layer relies on being able to safely reschedule with the
> BKL held. If you replace it with a "tty lock" you need to find all
> those schedule() points throughout _every_ tty line discipline and
> tty driver and release that lock.
Yes, I get it now from this and Andi's mail. I hadn't thought about
that "special feature" of BKL :)
>
> Basically, the tty later was written upon the assumption that there
> would be only _one_ thread of execution running tty code at any one
> time, and we only reschedule when we explicitly want to (which was
> the general kernel coding rule before we got spinlocks etc.) Every
> point where a reschedule is possible, state checks are (should be)
> made to prevent races.
Hmm.. This understanding would make it easier for me to go take another look
at the tty layer.
>
> When analysing the tty layer, you have to think not "what data does
> this protect" but "what code are we protecting". Note that you must
> apply the same approach towards what were the global-cli points.
>
> I don't think its the BKL points you have to worry about; they've
> stayed the same over many kernel versions. The places that need
> deeper consideration are where the global-cli was replaced with the
> local-cli. Obviously the latter is not a direct subsitute for the
> former.
BKL confused me here because I wasn't sure whether BKL was implicitly
protecting the tty driver code against anything else apart from itself.
Thanks
Dipankar
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-01-13 9:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20030110165441$1a8a@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <20030110165505$38d9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-01-11 12:27 ` any chance of 2.6.0-test*? Andi Kleen
2003-01-11 13:01 ` Russell King
2003-01-11 13:13 ` Andi Kleen
2003-01-11 14:39 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-11 14:06 ` Andi Kleen
2003-01-11 15:31 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-11 15:25 ` Andi Kleen
2003-01-11 19:18 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-13 3:33 ` Paul Mackerras
2003-01-13 14:59 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-13 18:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-01-14 2:32 ` ide-cs problem (was Re: any chance of 2.6.0-test*?) Paul Mackerras
2003-01-19 16:05 ` any chance of 2.6.0-test*? Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20030112094007$1647@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-01-12 9:56 ` Fixing the tty layer was " Andi Kleen
2003-01-13 6:41 ` Dipankar Sarma
2003-01-13 7:25 ` Andi Kleen
2003-01-13 8:12 ` Dipankar Sarma
2003-01-13 9:15 ` Russell King
2003-01-13 9:36 ` Dipankar Sarma [this message]
2003-01-13 6:45 ` Greg KH
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