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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Initcall / device model meltdown?
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:32:56 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030117193256.GE8304@gtf.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030117192356.F13888@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 07:23:56PM +0000, Russell King wrote:
> 1. the device model requires a certain initialisation order.
> 2. modules need to use module_init() which means the initialisation order
>    is link-order dependent, despite our multi-level initialisation system.
> 
> Obviously one solution would be to spread the drivers for this
> multifunction chip throughout the kernel tree (ie, by function not
> by device) so the touchscreen driver would live under drivers/input.
> 
> However, then we need to make sure that the multifunction chip's
> bus type is initialised before any of the other subsystems, and of
> course, the bus type is initialised using module_init() since it
> lives in a module...
> 
> I think we need to re-think what we're doing with the initialisation
> handling and the device model before these sorts of problems get out
> of hand.

IMO this link order business is a problem that's existed for ages,
it's unrelated to the device model, and adding seven levels of
initcalls merely hid this problem a little bit.

Back when I was doing fbdev stuff, I just gave up and did things "the
old way", a la

	#ifdef MODULE
	module_init(my_driver);
	#endif

and then call my_driver from other code, when it is built into the
kernel, overriding link order.

Not a great solution, I know.  My preferred solution has always been to
explicitly list the dependencies, so a build-time tool can figure out
the link order automagically.

	Jeff




  reply	other threads:[~2003-01-17 19:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-17 19:23 Initcall / device model meltdown? Russell King
2003-01-17 19:32 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
     [not found]   ` <3104.1042835842@www5.gmx.net>
2003-01-17 20:48     ` Dominik Brodowski
2003-01-17 19:56 ` Kai Germaschewski
2003-01-17 20:14   ` Russell King

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