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From: Derek Fawcus <dfawcus@cisco.com>
To: Kevin Lawton <kevinlawton2001@yahoo.com>
Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Simple patches for Linux as a guest OS in a plex86 VM (please consider)
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:18:09 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030124201808.E14343@edinburgh.cisco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030124190917.37534.qmail@web80301.mail.yahoo.com>; from kevinlawton2001@yahoo.com on Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 11:09:17AM -0800

On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 11:09:17AM -0800, Kevin Lawton wrote:
> --- Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> 
> > It turns out that the 99% of the work to cover the 1% of the cases is really
> > important.  The usual reason for doing VM is to isolate images from each
> > other
> 
> Plex86 can 100% isolate guests from each other.  What I'm saying
> is, it takes 99% of the work to do a full x86 VM which doesn't
> need those 2 macros for PUSHF/POPF.  (my oversimplified, but
> yet useful explanation of the state of affairs)
> 
> You have to do a lot of work to "get under the hood" of an
> OS, to fix up a few cases where if you let them run native,
> they'll get the wrong information or make the wrong thing
> happen.  Not to the other guests, but to themselves.  So if
> you don't need to do those things, you can let them run
> without all the black magic.  Let's take such conversation
> out-of-band.  It doesn't belong on the LK list.

Well actually I find it quite interesting...

One thing that seems to have been alluded to but not explicity stated
is just where is this patch going, and what affect will happen when
running a non 'VM friendly' OS under the 'new plex86'.

One thing that I'm curious about is how say thing'd work when running
a linux host, with a VM-friendly linux client,  and say a Win-2k
client.

I assume that the Win-2k client woudl end up having to trap to a
simulator (bochs) for it's ring 0 stuff.  But would things in the
above scenario work nicely,  with proper isolation between the
two (or more) clients?

DF

  reply	other threads:[~2003-01-24 20:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-22 18:23 Simple patches for Linux as a guest OS in a plex86 VM (please consider) Kevin Lawton
2003-01-22 19:56 ` Andrew Morton
2003-01-22 20:11   ` Kevin Lawton
2003-01-22 20:17     ` Andrew Morton
2003-01-22 20:35       ` Kai Germaschewski
2003-01-23 18:28 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-01-23 22:26   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-01-24  3:21   ` Kevin Lawton
2003-01-24 15:46 ` Pavel Machek
2003-01-24 16:52   ` Kevin Lawton
2003-01-24 19:01     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-24 19:09       ` Kevin Lawton
2003-01-24 20:18         ` Derek Fawcus [this message]
2003-01-24 20:56           ` Kevin Lawton
2003-01-24 21:00             ` David Lang
2003-01-24 22:02               ` Kevin Lawton
     [not found] <20030122182341.66324.qmail@web80309.mail.yahoo.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2003-01-22 19:16 ` Andi Kleen
2003-01-22 19:30   ` Kevin Lawton
2003-01-23  5:11   ` Kevin Lawton
2003-01-23  5:50     ` Kai Germaschewski
2003-01-23  7:00       ` Kevin Lawton
2003-01-23  7:24         ` Andrew Morton
2003-01-23 15:41           ` Kevin Lawton
2003-01-24 15:49     ` Pavel Machek
2003-01-24 17:14       ` Kevin Lawton
2003-01-24 18:02         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-01-25  1:46           ` David Wagner
2003-01-25 12:00             ` Jan Hudec
2003-01-27 12:42             ` Pavel Machek
2003-01-26 20:00           ` Pavel Machek
2003-01-26 20:05             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-01-27  5:42         ` Nuno Silva
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-01-24  3:32 Kevin Lawton

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