From: Stefan Reinauer <stepan@suse.de>
To: Robert Morris <rob@r-morris.co.uk>
Cc: Raphael Schmid <Raphael_Schmid@CUBUS.COM>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Bootscreen
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:59:58 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030128145958.GB31303@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0301281422250.24292-100000@schubert.rdns.com>
* Robert Morris <rob@r-morris.co.uk> [030128 15:29]:
> I've been using Linux since 1.0.9 - and I've *never* *ever* thought of the
> idea of covering up the output from either kernel or other startup stuff
> with a graphic.
That is exactly the point. If you are so long with Linux, you can
consider yourself a technical person. For you, different that probably
more than 98% of the people on this planet, these messages are useful,
because it's your job.
> Sure some of the kernel's output could be cleaned up a
> little, but for the most part its not "geeky" - its useful and
> informative.
They are geeky, but useful - If you got a system that causes trouble.
Otherwise, if your system works right, they are just some more bits
flickering on your screen.
> And, I think that assuming that non-"geeky" users prefer to see something
> "cute" when their OS boots up, rather than output which is useful to
> someone else if not themselves, is rather insulting to them.
If I go to the doctor and get an X-Ray, while the machine fails, I have
no whatsoever advantage if I see the error log, simply because I could not
interpret it even if I wanted to. All I understand is "it worked" or "it
did not work" and if someone tells me that it does not insult me that I
lack some details that are important to the doctor.
> > Can we get rid of the "stupid guy who's trying to clone Windows" dogma,
> > please?
>
> I didn't say you were a stupid guy. I did say cloning Windows is a stupid
> idea. There is a difference.
Why oh why do we always need to compare ourselfes to Windows. "Windows
does this, windows does that" Whatever.. that is of no relevance. And if
it was QNX or RTOS we are cloning and the thing we cloned is a good
idea, what shalls...? It seems to me that everything that lacks the
status quo in kernel message visability is a windows clone?
> *sigh*
Stefan
--
The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be
regarded as a criminal offense. -- E. W. Dijkstra
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-01-28 14:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-01-28 14:11 AW: Bootscreen Raphael Schmid
2003-01-28 14:26 ` John Bradford
2003-01-28 14:48 ` Bootscreen Stefan Reinauer
2003-01-28 14:29 ` AW: Bootscreen Robert Morris
2003-01-28 14:59 ` Stefan Reinauer [this message]
2003-01-28 14:34 ` Bootscreen jeff millar
2003-01-28 14:40 ` Bootscreen John Bradford
2003-01-29 13:09 ` Scaring the non-geeks (was Bootscreen) Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2003-01-29 13:19 ` Richard B. Tilley (Brad)
2003-01-29 13:58 ` Xavier Bestel
2003-01-29 14:01 ` Richard B. Tilley (Brad)
2003-01-29 17:15 ` Wakko Warner
2003-01-29 14:12 ` Murray J. Root
2003-01-29 14:51 ` Tomas Szepe
2003-01-29 15:08 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-29 17:12 ` Rik van Riel
2003-01-30 18:53 ` Lars 'Cebewee' Noschinski
2003-01-30 19:29 ` Chris Friesen
2003-01-31 2:04 ` Barry K. Nathan
2003-01-31 16:09 ` Alvaro Lopes
2003-01-28 16:41 ` Bootscreen Valdis.Kletnieks
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-01-29 13:59 Bootscreen Raphael Schmid
2003-01-29 8:35 Bootscreen Raphael Schmid
2003-01-29 17:53 ` Bootscreen Arador
2003-01-29 8:30 Bootscreen Raphael Schmid
2003-01-28 21:48 Bootscreen Balram Adlakha
2003-01-28 21:59 ` Bootscreen John Bradford
2003-01-29 14:46 ` Bootscreen Denis Vlasenko
2003-01-29 19:52 ` Bootscreen Balram Adlakha
2003-01-30 6:53 ` Bootscreen Denis Vlasenko
2003-01-30 10:18 ` Bootscreen Bernd Eckenfels
2003-01-30 10:39 ` Bootscreen Helge Hafting
2003-01-30 13:54 ` Bootscreen Stefan Reinauer
2003-01-29 15:09 ` Bootscreen Horst von Brand
2003-01-28 13:13 Bootscreen Raphael Schmid
2003-01-28 14:35 ` Bootscreen Xavier Bestel
2003-01-30 7:25 ` Bootscreen Pavel Machek
2003-01-31 17:40 ` Bootscreen Jörn Engel
2003-01-31 17:45 ` Bootscreen Pavel Machek
[not found] <398E93A81CC5D311901600A0C9F29289469376@cubuss2>
2003-01-28 11:05 ` Bootscreen Alex Riesen
2003-01-28 11:38 ` Bootscreen Jos Hulzink
2003-01-28 10:33 AW: AW: Bootscreen Raphael Schmid
2003-01-28 10:52 ` John Bradford
2003-01-28 13:16 ` Bootscreen Stefan Reinauer
2003-01-28 9:01 Bootscreen Raphael Schmid
2003-01-28 9:52 ` Bootscreen John Bradford
2003-01-28 10:49 ` Bootscreen DervishD
2003-01-28 11:20 ` Bootscreen Robert Morris
2003-01-28 11:44 ` Bootscreen John Bradford
2003-01-28 11:48 ` Bootscreen Wichert Akkerman
2003-01-28 12:15 ` Bootscreen Robert Morris
2003-01-28 12:55 ` Bootscreen Alan Cox
2003-01-28 13:09 ` Bootscreen Wichert Akkerman
2003-01-28 13:47 ` Bootscreen Alan Cox
2003-01-28 14:06 ` Bootscreen John Bradford
2003-01-28 14:14 ` Bootscreen Richard B. Tilley (Brad)
2003-01-28 14:33 ` Bootscreen Robert Morris
2003-01-28 14:32 ` Bootscreen Wichert Akkerman
2003-01-28 14:45 ` Bootscreen Jos Hulzink
2003-01-28 14:47 ` Bootscreen Wichert Akkerman
2003-01-28 14:57 ` Bootscreen Richard B. Tilley (Brad)
2003-01-28 14:58 ` Bootscreen Wichert Akkerman
2003-01-28 15:07 ` Bootscreen Richard B. Tilley (Brad)
2003-01-28 15:14 ` Bootscreen Wichert Akkerman
2003-01-28 15:20 ` Bootscreen Richard B. Tilley (Brad)
2003-01-28 15:25 ` Bootscreen Wichert Akkerman
2003-01-29 10:19 ` Bootscreen Horst von Brand
2003-01-28 15:05 ` Bootscreen Alan Cox
2003-01-28 15:06 ` Bootscreen John Bradford
2003-01-28 14:53 ` Bootscreen Oliver Neukum
2003-01-28 13:22 ` Bootscreen Jos Hulzink
2003-01-28 14:35 ` Bootscreen Rogier Wolff
2003-01-28 12:08 ` Bootscreen Robert Morris
2003-01-28 12:17 ` Bootscreen John Bradford
2003-01-28 14:15 ` Bootscreen Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2003-01-28 18:46 ` Bootscreen H. Peter Anvin
2003-01-29 9:13 ` Bootscreen Horst von Brand
2003-01-29 9:35 ` Bootscreen Xavier Bestel
2003-01-29 13:19 ` Bootscreen Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2003-01-28 13:32 ` Bootscreen Stefan Reinauer
2003-01-28 13:46 ` Bootscreen Robert Morris
2003-01-28 14:38 ` Bootscreen Stefan Reinauer
2003-01-28 13:52 ` Bootscreen Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2003-01-29 8:06 ` Bootscreen Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-01-29 13:17 ` Bootscreen Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2003-01-29 15:48 ` Bootscreen Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-01-28 13:55 ` Bootscreen John Bradford
2003-01-28 14:28 ` Bootscreen Wichert Akkerman
2003-01-28 14:43 ` Bootscreen John Bradford
2003-01-28 14:45 ` Bootscreen Wichert Akkerman
2003-01-28 17:15 ` Bootscreen Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-28 12:10 ` Bootscreen Stefan Reinauer
2003-01-28 14:50 ` Bootscreen Alan Cox
2003-01-28 15:07 ` Bootscreen Stefan Reinauer
2003-01-28 15:09 ` Bootscreen John Bradford
2003-01-28 17:41 ` Bootscreen Erik Mouw
2003-01-28 20:11 ` Bootscreen Arador
2003-01-28 21:13 ` Bootscreen Bernd Eckenfels
2003-01-28 17:48 ` Bootscreen Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-28 19:24 ` Bootscreen Ingo Oeser
2003-01-28 18:13 ` Bootscreen Aaron Lehmann
2003-01-28 18:21 ` Bootscreen Prasad
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