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From: John Bradford <john@grabjohn.com>
To: davej@codemonkey.org.uk (Dave Jones)
Cc: john@grabjohn.com, wookie@osdl.org,
	vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua, root@chaos.analogic.com,
	mbligh@aracnet.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: gcc 2.95 vs 3.21 performance
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:11:56 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200302042011.h14KBuG6002791@darkstar.example.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030204194459.GC6417@codemonkey.org.uk> from "Dave Jones" at Feb 04, 2003 07:44:59 PM

>  > Maybe we should create a KGCC fork, optimise it for kernel
>  > complilations, then try to get our changes merged back in to GCC
>  > mainline at a later date.
> 
> What exactly do you mean by "optimise for kernel compilations" ?

I don't, that was a bad way of phrasing it - I didn't mean fork GCC
just to create one which compiles the kernel so it runs faster, as the
expense of other code.

What I was thinking was that if we forked GCC, we could try out all of
these ideas that have been floating around in this thread, and if, as
was hinted at earlier in this thread, $bigcompanies[] have not offered
contributions because of reluctance to accept them by the GCC team, we
would be more in a position to try them out, because we only need to
concern ourselves with breaking the compilation of the kernel, not
every single program that currently compiles with GCC.

The way I see it, the development series would be optimised for KGCC,
and when we start to think about stabilising that development series,
we try to get our KGCC changes merged back in to GCC mainline.  If
they are not accepted, either KGCC becomes the recommended kernel
compiler, which should cause no great difficulties, (having one
compiler for kernels, and one for userland applications), or we start
making sure that we haven't broken compilation with GCC, (and since a
there would probably always be people compiling with GCC anyway, even
if there was a KGCC, we would effectively always know if we broke
compilation with GCC), and then the recommended compiler is just not
the optimal one, and it would be up to the various distributions to
decide which one they are going to use.

John.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-02-04 20:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-03 23:05 gcc 2.95 vs 3.21 performance Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-03 23:22 ` [Lse-tech] " Andi Kleen
2003-02-03 23:31 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-02-04  0:43   ` J.A. Magallon
2003-02-04 13:42     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-02-04 14:20       ` John Bradford
2003-02-04  6:54   ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-02-04  7:13     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-04 12:25       ` Adrian Bunk
2003-02-04 15:51         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-04 16:27           ` [Lse-tech] " Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-04 17:40             ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-02-04 17:55               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-04  9:54     ` Bryan Andersen
2003-02-04 15:46       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-04 19:09     ` Timothy D. Witham
2003-02-04 19:35       ` John Bradford
2003-02-04 19:44         ` Dave Jones
2003-02-04 20:11           ` John Bradford [this message]
2003-02-04 20:20             ` John Bradford
2003-02-04 20:45             ` Herman Oosthuysen
2003-02-04 21:44               ` Timothy D. Witham
2003-02-05  7:15               ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-02-05 10:36                 ` Andreas Schwab
2003-02-05 11:41                   ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-02-05 12:20                     ` Dave Jones
2003-02-05 13:10                     ` [Lse-tech] " Dipankar Sarma
2003-02-05 15:30                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-04 21:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-04 21:54           ` John Bradford
2003-02-04 22:11             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-04 23:27               ` Timothy D. Witham
2003-02-04 23:21           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-04 23:42             ` b_adlakha
2003-02-05  0:19               ` Andy Pfiffer
2003-02-04 23:51             ` Jakob Oestergaard
2003-02-05  1:03               ` Hugo Mills
2003-02-10 22:26               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-10 23:28                 ` J.A. Magallon
2003-02-04 23:51             ` Eli Carter
2003-02-05  0:27               ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-06 20:42                 ` Paul Jakma
2003-02-05  3:03             ` Tomas Szepe
2003-02-05  6:03             ` Mark Mielke
2003-02-07 16:09           ` Pavel Machek
2003-02-04 10:57   ` Padraig
2003-02-04 13:11     ` Helge Hafting
2003-02-04 13:29       ` Jörn Engel
2003-02-04 14:05       ` P
2003-02-04 20:36         ` Herman Oosthuysen
2003-02-04 12:20 ` [Lse-tech] " Dave Jones
2003-02-04 15:50   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-10 12:13     ` Momchil Velikov
2003-02-06 15:42 ` gcc -O2 vs gcc -Os performance Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-06 15:51   ` [Lse-tech] " Andi Kleen
2003-02-06 17:48   ` Alan Cox
2003-02-06 17:06     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-06 20:38     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-06 21:32       ` John Bradford
2003-02-06 22:12       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-06 22:58         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-06 23:16           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-06 23:59             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-06 23:17       ` Roger Larsson
2003-02-06 23:33         ` Martin J. Bligh
     [not found] <1044385759.1861.46.camel@localhost.localdomain.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <200302041935.h14JZ69G002675@darkstar.example.net.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <b1pbt8$2ll$1@penguin.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2003-02-04 22:05     ` gcc 2.95 vs 3.21 performance Andi Kleen
2003-02-04 22:14       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-05 10:04         ` Pavel Janík
2003-02-05 20:07           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-06 15:00           ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-04 22:59       ` Jeff Muizelaar
2003-02-04 23:12         ` b_adlakha
2003-02-05  8:41         ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-05 19:09         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-05 19:22           ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-02-05 19:24           ` John Bradford
2003-02-06  7:02         ` Neil Booth
     [not found]           ` <courier.3E423112.00007219@softhome.net>
     [not found]             ` <20030206212218.GA4891@daikokuya.co.uk>
2003-02-07 10:31               ` b_adlakha
2003-02-07 18:46                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-07 21:49                 ` Neil Booth
2003-02-10  2:14           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-02-10  9:19             ` Tomas Szepe
     [not found] <120432836@toto.iv>
2003-02-05  2:45 ` Peter Chubb
     [not found] <200302052021.h15KLrXv000881@darkstar.example.net>
2003-02-05 20:28 ` b_adlakha

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