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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: torvalds@transmeta.com, mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
	pavel@suse.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, 2.5: fsync buffer race
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:44:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030210134434.72a59aed.akpm@digeo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030210211806.GA22275@dualathlon.random>

Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 12:40:00PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > 	void sync_dirty_buffer(struct buffer_head *bh)
> > 	{
> > 		lock_buffer(bh);
> > 		if (test_clear_buffer_dirty(bh)) {
> > 			get_bh(bh);
> > 			bh->b_end_io = end_buffer_io_sync;
> > 			submit_bh(WRITE, bh);
> > 		} else {
> > 			unlock_buffer(bh);
> > 		}
> > 	}
> 
> If you we don't take the lock around the mark_dirty_buffer as Linus
> suggested (to avoid serializing in the non-sync case), why don't you
> simply add lock_buffer() to ll_rw_block() as we suggested originally

That is undesirable for READA.

> and
> you #define sync_dirty_buffer as ll_rw_block+wait_on_buffer if you
> really want to make the cleanup?

Linux 2.4 tends to contain costly confusion between writeout for memory
cleansing and writeout for data integrity.

In 2.5 I have been trying to make it very clear and explicit that these are
fundamentally different things.

> ...
> Especially in 2.4 I wouldn't like to make the below change that is
> 100% equivalent to a one liner patch that just adds lock_buffer()
> instead of the test-and-set-bit (for reads I see no problems either).

That'd probably be OK, with a dont-do-that for READA.

> BTW, Linus's way that suggests the lock around the data modifications
> (unconditionally), would also enforce metadata coherency so it would
> provide an additional coherency guarantee (but it's not directly related
> to this problem and it may be overkill). Normally we always allow
> in-core modifications of the buffer during write-IO to disk (also for
> the data in pagecache). Only the journal commits must be very careful in
> avoiding that (like applications must be careful to run fsync and not to
> overwrite the data during the fsync). So normally taking the lock around
> the in-core modification and mark_buffer_dirty, would be overkill IMHO.

Yup.  Except for a non-uptodate buffer.  If software is bringing a
non-uptodate buffer uptodate by hand it should generally be locked, else a
concurrent read may stomp on the changes.  There are few places where this
happens.


  reply	other threads:[~2003-02-10 21:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-02 23:32 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, 2.5: fsync buffer race Mikulas Patocka
2003-02-03  0:00 ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-03  1:13   ` Mikulas Patocka
2003-02-03  1:20     ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-03  9:29       ` Mikulas Patocka
2003-02-04 23:16   ` Pavel Machek
2003-02-05 15:13     ` Mikulas Patocka
2003-02-10 13:07     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-10 16:28       ` Mikulas Patocka
2003-02-10 16:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-10 20:40           ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-10 21:18             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-10 21:44               ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2003-02-10 21:59                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-11 13:58                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-14  6:42                     ` Andrea Arcangeli

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