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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Henning Schmiedehausen <hps@intermeta.de>
Cc: Andrew Walrond <andrew@walrond.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: openbkweb-0.0
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:23:05 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030216202305.GA28849@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1045426736.1454.38.camel@henning-pc.hutweide.de>

In the US, at least, all the deals I've been able to find cap the 
bandwidth at ~100Kbit/sec average rate.  

On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 09:18:56PM +0100, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
> Larry says that he hosts bkbits.net on a T1 which is shared with
> (probably) the IP traffic of bitkeeper.com and his VoIP. 
> 
> A fully loaded T1 can carry about 1/2 a TB per month traffic. This costs
> you at most (AT MOST!) about 350 Euros per month (e.g. www.odn.de) for
> a 2,3 Mbit SDSL line, which carries even 1,5 times the traffic of a T1).
> 
> Rack housing with a moderate traffic volume (e.g. enough for most
> service needs) cost you between 29 Euros for a dedicated server with 60
> Gigs (www.hetzner.de) to 25,90 euros for a shared hosting with a gig of
> disc space and unlimited traffic (www.hosteurope.de, Hostnet product).
> 
> All of the cited ISPs claim to have multi-GB uplinks to the various
> german an international peering points.  I wouldn't consider that a
> "garden hose".
> 
> Larry claimed a $15k bill for his T1. This is about 1200$ per months.
> You can get three flat 2.3 MBit SDSL lines for that. Or a dedicated
> server with about a TB of traffic in a housing center.
> 
> 	Regards
> 		Henning
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 13:03, Andrew Walrond wrote:
> > Alan Cox wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Unlimited bandwidth at low bitrate is cheap. If you want 100Mbit then boy
> >  > it gets pricy. Its the different between "all you get" and "you get xyz"
> >  >
> > 
> > Me thinks you miss my point :)
> > 
> > In the context of Larry saying "It costs $x,000 dollars for me to 
> > provide the bandwidth" and this guy saying "But you can get all you want 
> > for 50Euros" leads me to suspect that he believes he is sat at the end 
> > of an 8m main bore when infact he has at best a garden hose....
> > 
> > Andrew
> -- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2003-02-16 20:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-06  2:10 openbkweb-0.0 Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-06  2:34 ` openbkweb-0.0 Dave Jones
2003-02-06  3:09 ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-06  4:23   ` openbkweb-0.0 Ben Collins
2003-02-06  4:37     ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-06  6:02       ` openbkweb-0.0 Willy Tarreau
2003-02-06  6:14         ` openbkweb-0.0 David Lang
2003-02-06 14:23         ` openbkweb-0.0 Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-02-13  2:47 ` openbkweb-0.0 Jamie Lokier
2003-02-13 11:55   ` openbkweb-0.0 Rik van Riel
2003-02-13 16:13     ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-13 16:23       ` openbkweb-0.0 Xavier Bestel
2003-02-13 16:46         ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-13 16:56       ` openbkweb-0.0 John Bradford
2003-02-13 21:11       ` openbkweb-0.0 Adrian Bunk
2003-02-13 21:18         ` openbkweb-0.0 Robert Love
2003-02-14 12:59           ` openbkweb-0.0 Xavier Bestel
2003-02-13 22:05         ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-13 22:56           ` openbkweb-0.0 Jamie Lokier
2003-02-14  6:02             ` openbkweb-0.0 Matthew D. Pitts
2003-02-14  6:30               ` openbkweb-0.0 David Lang
2003-02-14 14:41                 ` openbkweb-0.0 Alan Cox
2003-02-14 13:54                   ` openbkweb-0.0 Matthew D. Pitts
2003-02-14 15:30                   ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-14 15:45                     ` openbkweb-0.0 Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-02-14 16:56                     ` openbkweb-0.0 Alan Cox
2003-02-14 16:47                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Tomas Szepe
2003-02-14 16:50                         ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-14 17:09                           ` openbkweb-0.0 Tomas Szepe
2003-02-14 17:24                             ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-15 11:42                               ` openbkweb-0.0 Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-02-15 14:42                                 ` openbkweb-0.0 Andrew Walrond
     [not found]                                   ` <1045342539.5130.5.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk>
     [not found]                                     ` <3E4F7E20.30905@walrond.org>
2003-02-16 20:18                                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-02-16 20:23                                         ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2003-02-16 21:18                                           ` openbkweb-0.0 Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-02-16 21:48                                             ` ADSL vs Leased line (was: Re: openbkweb-0.0) John Bradford
2003-02-17 10:13                                               ` Andrew Walrond
2003-02-17 11:00                                                 ` John Bradford
2003-02-17 11:46                                                   ` Andrew Walrond
2003-02-17 12:00                                                     ` John Bradford
2003-02-15  0:11                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Vlad@geekizoid.com
2003-02-15  0:52                         ` openbkweb-0.0 Jamie Lokier
2003-02-15  0:56                           ` openbkweb-0.0 Vlad@geekizoid.com
2003-02-15  1:50                         ` openbkweb-0.0 Alan Cox
2003-02-15  1:01                           ` openbkweb-0.0 Vlad@geekizoid.com
2003-02-15  2:00                             ` openbkweb-0.0 Jamie Lokier
2003-02-15  2:41                               ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-15  3:11                                 ` openbkweb-0.0 Jamie Lokier
2003-02-15  3:30                                   ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-15  5:00                                   ` openbkweb-0.0 Aggelos Economopoulos
2003-02-15  5:32                                     ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-15  7:24                                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Aggelos Economopoulos
2003-02-15  6:20                                     ` openbkweb-0.0 Jamie Lokier
2003-02-15  7:27                                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Aggelos Economopoulos
2003-02-15  2:13                             ` openbkweb-0.0 Alan Cox
2003-02-15  8:02                         ` openbkweb-0.0 John Bradford
2003-02-16 11:17                     ` openbkweb-0.0 Pavel Janík
2003-02-14 20:31             ` openbkweb-0.0 Adrian Bunk
2003-02-14 22:02               ` openbkweb-0.0 Thomas Molina
2003-02-15  0:39                 ` openbkweb-0.0 Jamie Lokier
2003-02-15 16:18                   ` openbkweb-0.0 Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-15 21:31                     ` openbkweb-0.0 David Lang
2003-02-19  9:57                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-19 10:43                         ` openbkweb-0.0 David Lang
2003-02-19 10:51                           ` openbkweb-0.0 Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-16 21:03                     ` openbkweb-0.0 Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-02-19  9:54                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-14 23:45               ` openbkweb-0.0 Jamie Lokier
2003-02-14 23:57                 ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-15  0:45                   ` openbkweb-0.0 Jamie Lokier
2003-02-15  1:05                     ` openbkweb-0.0 Davide Libenzi
2003-02-15  1:13                       ` openbkweb-0.0 David Lang
2003-02-15  1:18                         ` openbkweb-0.0 David Lang
2003-02-15  1:29                         ` openbkweb-0.0 Vlad@geekizoid.com
2003-02-15  1:40                           ` openbkweb-0.0 David Lang
2003-02-15  1:35                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Jamie Lokier
2003-02-15  7:36                   ` openbkweb-0.0 Adrian Bunk
2003-02-15  9:46                     ` openbkweb-0.0 David Lang
2003-02-15 11:47                   ` openbkweb-0.0 Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-02-15 11:50                     ` openbkweb-0.0 Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-15 12:07                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Jörn Engel
2003-02-15 16:44                         ` openbkweb-0.0 Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-15 12:10                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-02-15 16:58                         ` openbkweb-0.0 Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-16 20:26                           ` openbkweb-0.0 Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-02-16 21:11                             ` openbkweb-0.0 John Jasen
2003-02-18 17:41                             ` openbkweb-0.0 Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-15 17:44                   ` openbkweb-0.0 Nicolas Pitre
2003-02-15 18:12                     ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-15 20:44                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Alan Cox
2003-02-15 20:54                         ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-16  4:08                           ` openbkweb-0.0 Nicolas Pitre
2003-02-16  5:18                             ` openbkweb-0.0 David Lang
2003-02-16  5:35                               ` openbkweb-0.0 Nicolas Pitre
2003-02-16 22:34                                 ` openbkweb-0.0 Pavel Machek
2003-02-17  4:31                                 ` openbkweb-0.0 Jamie Lokier
2003-02-17 14:50                                   ` openbkweb-0.0 Rik van Riel
2003-02-18 22:34                                     ` openbkweb-0.0 David Lang
2003-02-19  8:31                                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Pavel Janík
2003-02-19 15:11                                         ` openbkweb-0.0 Paul Fulghum
2003-02-19 15:16                                           ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-19 15:28                                             ` openbkweb-0.0 Pavel Machek
2003-02-19 15:47                                         ` openbkweb-0.0 Nicolas Pitre
2003-02-15 21:56                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Davide Libenzi
2003-02-15 21:52                         ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-15 22:04                           ` openbkweb-0.0 Davide Libenzi
2003-02-15 22:11                           ` openbkweb-0.0 John Bradford
2003-02-15 22:24                             ` openbkweb-0.0 Andrew Morton
2003-02-15 22:44                               ` openbkweb-0.0 John Bradford
2003-02-16  0:15                                 ` openbkweb-0.0 Matt Reppert
2003-02-16  0:46                                   ` openbkweb-0.0 John Bradford
2003-02-16  0:55                                     ` openbkweb-0.0 John Bradford
2003-02-16  3:23                                     ` openbkweb-0.0 Larry McVoy
2003-02-16  5:22                                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Alan Cox
2003-02-16 11:08                                         ` openbkweb-0.0 John Bradford
2003-02-16 11:22                                           ` openbkweb-0.0 David Woodhouse
2003-02-16 11:50                                             ` openbkweb-0.0 John Bradford
2003-02-16  9:58                             ` openbkweb-0.0 Filip Van Raemdonck
2003-02-16 14:42                       ` openbkweb-0.0 Gaël Le Mignot
2003-02-16 16:27                         ` openbkweb-0.0 Jörn Engel
2003-02-16 22:56                       ` bk2cvs [was Re: openbkweb-0.0] Pavel Machek
2003-02-18  0:19                         ` Vlad@geekizoid.com
2003-02-18 11:22                           ` Pavel Machek
2003-02-18 17:19                             ` Vlad@geekizoid.com
2003-02-14 20:28           ` openbkweb-0.0 Adrian Bunk
2003-02-14 20:35             ` openbkweb-0.0 nick
2003-02-15  0:17               ` openbkweb-0.0 Vlad@geekizoid.com
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-02-15 19:12 openbkweb-0.0 Nicolas Mailhot
2003-02-15 20:42 ` openbkweb-0.0 Vlad@geekizoid.com
2003-02-16 10:36   ` openbkweb-0.0 Nicolas Mailhot

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