allocate more than 2 GB on IA32

allocate more than 2 GB on IA32

[Hartmut Manz]

Hello,

i would like to allocate more than 2 GB of memory on an IA32 architecture.

The machine is a dual XEON_DP with 3 GB of Ram and 4 GB of swap space.

I have tried with the default SUSE 8.1 kernel as well as with a
2.4.20-pre4aa1 Kernel compile by my own using these Options:

CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
CONFIG_1GB=y

but I am only able to allocate 2 GB with a single malloc call.
I tought it should be possible to allocate up to 2.9 GB of memory to a
process, with this kernel settings.

Thank You for any help

Hartmut Manz

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Re: allocate more than 2 GB on IA32

[Gianni Tedesco]

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On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 09:15, Hartmut Manz wrote:
> but I am only able to allocate 2 GB with a single malloc call.
> I tought it should be possible to allocate up to 2.9 GB of memory to a
> process, with this kernel settings.

have you tried your own anonymous mmap() with start set to getpagesize()
?

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Re: allocate more than 2 GB on IA32

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> I tought it should be possible to allocate up to 2.9 GB of memory to a
> process, with this kernel settings.
Obviously, No.
Unfortunatly kernel do not use segments (fully). So even you have HIMEM at the kernel it's not possible to user program to address more than 4 gb a ram at the same time. And as far as i know program can not have more than 1 gm of usable readwrite memory.

THe only way for u is to use 64 bit architecture... or remap default address range splitting increase address range for pgrogram data (it's require to recompile all programs).

Agri

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:15:54 +0100
Hartmut Manz <manz@intes.de> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> i would like to allocate more than 2 GB of memory on an IA32 architecture.
> 
> The machine is a dual XEON_DP with 3 GB of Ram and 4 GB of swap space.
> 
> I have tried with the default SUSE 8.1 kernel as well as with a
> 2.4.20-pre4aa1 Kernel compile by my own using these Options:
> 
> CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
> CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
> CONFIG_1GB=y
> 
> but I am only able to allocate 2 GB with a single malloc call.
> I tought it should be possible to allocate up to 2.9 GB of memory to a
> process, with this kernel settings.
> 
> Thank You for any help
> 
> Hartmut Manz
> 
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Re: allocate more than 2 GB on IA32

[Martin J. Bligh]

> i would like to allocate more than 2 GB of memory on an IA32 architecture.
> 
> The machine is a dual XEON_DP with 3 GB of Ram and 4 GB of swap space.
> 
> I have tried with the default SUSE 8.1 kernel as well as with a
> 2.4.20-pre4aa1 Kernel compile by my own using these Options:
> 
> CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
> CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
> CONFIG_1GB=y
> 
> but I am only able to allocate 2 GB with a single malloc call.
> I tought it should be possible to allocate up to 2.9 GB of memory to a
> process, with this kernel settings.

Well, assuming you had no user-space code or data, or a stack, or any
shared libraries to fit into that space as well ;-)

Try shifting TASK_UNMAPPED_BASE down from 1GB to 0.5GB - that should give
you some more breathing room, though you'll never get to 2.9GB.

M.

Re: allocate more than 2 GB on IA32

[Manfred Spraul]

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Martin wrote:

>> i would like to allocate more than 2 GB of memory on an IA32 architecture.
>> 
>> The machine is a dual XEON_DP with 3 GB of Ram and 4 GB of swap space.
>> 
>> I have tried with the default SUSE 8.1 kernel as well as with a
>> 2.4.20-pre4aa1 Kernel compile by my own using these Options:
>> 
>> CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
>> CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
>> CONFIG_1GB=y
>> 
>> but I am only able to allocate 2 GB with a single malloc call.
>> I tought it should be possible to allocate up to 2.9 GB of memory to a
>> process, with this kernel settings.
>
>Well, assuming you had no user-space code or data, or a stack, or any
>shared libraries to fit into that space as well ;-)
>  
>
It's tricky, but not impossible.

Hartmut, start you application, allocate 2 gigabyte memory and then check
    /proc/<pidof your app>/maps.
It shows how your virtual memory is used.

You application is loaded at address 0x08000000. The stack is at 
0xbfffxxxx. Addresses above 0xC0000000 are reserved for the kernel.
Usually shared libraries are loaded at 0x40000000, and thus the largest 
area is 2 GB: from 0x400xxxx to 0xbfffxxxx.

You must remove everything that is at 0x4000xxxx, then you can malloc 
2.9 GB. Linking with --static is definitively required, but it's not 
enough - the glibc-2.3 library startup seems to malloc something at 
0x40000000. Try another C library.

One alternative would be a 2.9 GB global variable. An ugly example is 
attached - I could create a 2943 MB large variable.
With some asm-foo, it should be possible to create one 2.9 GB variable. 
Then implement your own malloc, backed by that 2.9 GB memory area.

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    Manfred

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#include <malloc.h>
// Test the maximum size of one linear block that is achievable with Linux
// compile with gcc --static.

#define SIZE	2943

unsigned char dummy1[1024UL*1024*SIZE/2];
unsigned char dummy2[1024UL*1024*SIZE/2];

int main(void)
{
	if ((unsigned long)dummy2 != (unsigned long) ((&dummy1)+1))  {
		printf("dummy1 has address %lx, ends at %lxh.\n",dummy1, (&dummy1)+1);
		printf("dummy2 has address %lx.\n",dummy2);
		printf("duh. something went wrong.\n");
	} else {
		printf("%d MB memory block starting at address %lxh available.\n",
				SIZE, (unsigned long)dummy1);
	}
	for(;;) sleep(100);
	return 0;
}

Re: allocate more than 2 GB on IA32

[Hartmut Manz]

On Tuesday 11 February 2003 17:11, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> > i would like to allocate more than 2 GB of memory on an IA32
> > architecture.
> >
> > The machine is a dual XEON_DP with 3 GB of Ram and 4 GB of swap space.
> >
> > I have tried with the default SUSE 8.1 kernel as well as with a
> > 2.4.20-pre4aa1 Kernel compile by my own using these Options:
> >
> > CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
> > CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
> > CONFIG_1GB=y
> >
> > but I am only able to allocate 2 GB with a single malloc call.
> > I tought it should be possible to allocate up to 2.9 GB of memory to a
> > process, with this kernel settings.
>
> Well, assuming you had no user-space code or data, or a stack, or any
> shared libraries to fit into that space as well ;-)
>
> Try shifting TASK_UNMAPPED_BASE down from 1GB to 0.5GB - that should give
> you some more breathing room, though you'll never get to 2.9GB.
>
> M.

First of all I would like to say THANK YOU for your help.

I am now able to allocate up to ~3.2 GB of memory on a 4 GB Machine, even with 
shared libraries. 

This is what I have done.

1. I have activated the kernel option in  Kernel 2.4.21pre4aa3
   CONFIG_05GB=y
  This gives the following: 
    a: TASK_UNMAPPED_BASE is now 0xe000000 wich is  224 MB
    b: Upper Limit for User-Space memory is now at 3.5 GB
   So I have the potential to allocated up to 3360 MB of memory

2. I have exchanged malloc with anonymous mmap, since malloc
    was still only able to allocate about 2 GB.



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