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From: Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:23:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030224112314.H15376@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030224154725.GB5665@work.bitmover.com>; from lm@bitmover.com on Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 07:47:25AM -0800

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 07:47:25AM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
> If you were looking at the problem assuming that the same code had to
> run on uniprocessor and a 1000 way smp, right now, today, and designing
> for it, I doubt very much we'd have anything to argue about.  A lot of
> what I'm saying starts to become obviously true as you increase the 
> number of CPUs but engineers are always seduced into making it go 2x 
> farther than it does today.  Unfortunately, each of those 2x increases
> comes at some cost and they add up.

Good point.  However, we are in a position to compare test results of 
older linux kernels against newer, and to recompile code out of the 
kernel for specific applications.  I'm curious if there is a collection 
of lmbench results of hand configured and compiled kernels vs the vendor 
module based kernels across 2.0, 2.2, 2.4 and recent 2.5 on the same 
uniprocessor and dual processor configuration.  That would really give 
us a better idea of how a properly tuned kernel vs what people actually 
use for support reasons is costing us, and if we're winning or losing.

		-ben
-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-02-24 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 289+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <1510000.1045942974@[10.10.2.4]>
2003-02-22 19:56   ` Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 20:24     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 21:02     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 22:06       ` Mark Hahn
2003-02-22 22:17         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 23:28           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 23:47             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23  0:09             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23  8:01               ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-23  8:05                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 18:36             ` Andy Pfiffer
2003-02-22 22:44         ` Ben Greear
2003-02-23 23:29           ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-23 23:37             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24  4:57               ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24  6:10                 ` Gerhard Mack
2003-02-24  6:52                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24  7:46                     ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24  7:44                 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24  7:54                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24  8:00                     ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24  8:40                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-24  8:50                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 16:17                           ` yodaiken
2003-02-24 23:13                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 23:27                               ` yodaiken
2003-02-24 23:54                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 23:54                                   ` yodaiken
2003-02-25  2:17                                 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25  2:24                                   ` yodaiken
2003-02-25  2:35                                     ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25  2:43                                     ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25  2:32                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  2:40                                     ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25  5:24                                   ` Rik van Riel
2003-02-25 15:30                                   ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25 14:59                                     ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 15:44                                       ` yodaiken
2003-02-26 19:31                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-27  0:56                                     ` Bill Huey
2003-02-27 20:04                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-25  2:07                             ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25  2:14                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  2:24                                 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25  2:46                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-25 14:47                                     ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2003-02-25 15:59                                       ` Jesse Pollard
2003-02-24  8:56                         ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24  9:09                           ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-24  9:24                             ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24  9:56                               ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-24 10:11                                 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24 14:40                           ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-24 21:10                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-24  8:43                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 23:10         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 23:20           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 23:46             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  2:19         ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-25  3:49           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  5:12             ` Steven Cole
2003-02-25 20:37               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 21:36                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-25 23:28                   ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 23:41                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-26  0:19                       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-26  0:35                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-26 16:31                           ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-26  0:47                       ` Steven Cole
2003-02-26 16:07                       ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-26 19:47                         ` Alan Cox
2003-02-26  6:04                     ` Aaron Lehmann
2003-02-26  0:44                 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25 23:58                   ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-22 23:15       ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 23:23         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-22 23:54           ` Mark Hahn
2003-02-22 23:44         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24  4:56           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24  5:06             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24  6:00               ` Mark Hahn
2003-02-24  6:02                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 15:06               ` Alan Cox
2003-02-24 23:18                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24  5:16             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24  6:58               ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24  7:39                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 16:17                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 16:49                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  0:41                       ` Server shipments [was Re: Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call] Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  0:41                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  0:54                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  2:00                             ` Tupshin Harper
2003-02-25  3:54                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  3:00                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  3:13                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  4:11                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  4:17                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  4:21                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  4:37                                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 22:02                                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-25 23:19                                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 23:46                                         ` Gerhard Mack
2003-02-26  4:23                                           ` Jesse Pollard
2003-02-26  5:05                                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26  5:27                                             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-02-26  9:36                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-26 12:09                                               ` Jesse Pollard
2003-02-26 16:42                                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-02-25 17:37                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25  1:09                           ` David Lang
2003-02-24 18:22                     ` Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call John W. M. Stevens
2003-02-24  7:51                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 15:47                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 16:00                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 16:23                     ` Benjamin LaHaise [this message]
2003-02-24 16:25                       ` yodaiken
2003-02-24 18:20                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-25  1:51                           ` Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call - publishing performance data Craig Thomas
2003-02-24 16:31                       ` Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 23:36                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25  0:23                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  2:37                         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-25  4:42                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25  4:54                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  6:00                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25  7:00                               ` Val Henson
2003-02-24 13:28                 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25  5:19                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25  5:26                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 21:21                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25 21:14                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 21:21                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 22:08                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 22:10                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 22:37                             ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25 22:58                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  6:17                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 17:11                       ` Cliff White
2003-02-25 17:17                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 17:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-25 19:54                           ` Dave Jones
2003-02-26  2:04                             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-25 19:48                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 21:28                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 19:20                     ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25 19:59                     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 20:18                       ` jlnance
2003-02-25 20:59                         ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 21:19                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25 21:38                         ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-24 18:44                 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-02-22 23:57         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-02-23 23:57         ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-24  6:22           ` Val Henson
2003-02-24  6:41             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 21:29     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-02-24  2:04 linux
2003-02-24  2:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24  3:28   ` David Lang
2003-02-26  5:30     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-02-26  5:42       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26  7:22         ` David Lang
2003-02-27 17:50       ` Daniel Egger
2003-02-27 18:25         ` David Lang
2003-02-28  8:58           ` Filip Van Raemdonck
2003-02-28 19:48           ` Arador
2003-03-01  0:51             ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-03-01  1:14               ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-01  1:27               ` David Lang
2003-03-01 14:15                 ` Daniel Egger
2003-02-24  4:42   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24  4:58     ` Linus Torvalds
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-02-21 23:48 Hanna Linder
2003-02-22  0:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22  0:25   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22  2:24     ` Steven Cole
2003-02-22  0:44   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22  2:47     ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22  4:32       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22  5:05         ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22  6:39           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22  8:38             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-02-22 22:18               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-23  0:50                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 11:22                   ` Magnus Danielson
2003-02-23 19:54                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-23  1:17                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-23  5:21                   ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23  8:07                     ` David Lang
2003-02-23  8:20                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-23 19:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-23 19:29                           ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 20:13                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 22:01                               ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 22:12                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 21:34                             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-23 22:40                               ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 22:48                                 ` David Lang
2003-02-23 22:54                                   ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 22:56                                     ` David Lang
2003-02-24  0:40                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24  2:32                                       ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24  2:54                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24  3:08                                           ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24 21:42                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-24  1:06                                     ` dean gaudet
2003-02-24  1:56                                       ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24  2:15                                         ` dean gaudet
2003-02-24  3:11                                           ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 23:06                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 23:59                                   ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24  3:49                                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-24  4:07                                       ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24  4:34                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24  5:02                                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23 20:21                           ` Xavier Bestel
2003-02-23 20:50                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 23:57                               ` Alan Cox
2003-02-24  1:26                                 ` Kenneth Johansson
2003-02-24  1:53                                   ` dean gaudet
2003-02-23 21:35                             ` Alan Cox
2003-02-23 21:41                             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24  0:01                             ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-24  0:36                             ` yodaiken
2003-02-23 21:15                           ` John Bradford
2003-02-23 21:45                             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24  1:25                               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-23 21:55                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-23 19:13                       ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 23:28                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-26  8:46                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-23 20:48                       ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23  9:37                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22  8:38             ` David S. Miller
2003-02-22  8:38           ` David S. Miller
2003-02-22 14:34             ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 15:47               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 16:13                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 16:29                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 16:33                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 16:39                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 16:59                         ` John Bradford
2003-02-24 18:00                   ` Timothy D. Witham
2003-02-22  8:32   ` David S. Miller
2003-02-22 18:20   ` Alan Cox
2003-02-22 20:05     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 21:35       ` Alan Cox
2003-02-22 21:36     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-22 21:42       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-23 23:23       ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-24  3:31         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-24  4:02           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24  4:15             ` Russell Leighton
2003-02-24  5:11             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24  8:07             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-23  0:37   ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-23  0:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-23 14:29   ` Rik van Riel
2003-02-23 17:28     ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-24  1:42       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-23  3:24 ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-25 17:17   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 17:43     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 17:59       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 18:04         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 18:50         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 19:18           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 19:27             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 20:30               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 20:53                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 21:17                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 21:12                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 22:16                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 22:17                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 22:37                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 21:26                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 22:18                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-26  5:24                       ` Rik van Riel
2003-02-26  5:38                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26  6:01                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-26  6:14                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26  6:32                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26 16:02                             ` Rik van Riel
2003-02-27  3:48                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-02-25 20:10             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 20:23               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 20:46                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 20:52                   ` Andrea Arcangeli

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