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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Zack Brown <zbrown@tumblerings.org>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>,
	Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:28:35 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030309232835.GC1807@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200303092154.h29Ls3NO026830@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>

On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 04:54:02PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 13:32:46 PST, Zack Brown <zbrown@tumblerings.org>  said:
> 
> > Of kernel developers, only Linus seems to have a clear idea of what the kerne
> l
> > development process' needs are; but aside from insisting that distribution
> > is key (which people in camp (1) know already), he hasn't gone into the kind
> > of detail that folks would need in order to actually make a decent attempt.
> 
> It's quite possible that even Linus doesn't have a clear cognitive grasp of
> all the problems - Larry gave BK to Linus to prevent burn-out.  I'd not be
> surprised if Linus was so busy dealing with the *first* order problems in
> the pre-BK world (just getting patches to apply to his tree) that he never
> encountered all the 'tough problems', and once he started using BK, he
> also never hit any of the 'tough problems' because Larry's crew had already
> spent 40 man-years making sure Linus *didnt* hit them.

Bingo.  We work hard to make sure that we've thought of and solved the
problems *before* they are hit in the field.  We try to be proactive,
not reactive (at least in coding, mailing lists are another matter).
We're not that great at it, but we've definitely solved all sorts of
problems long before Linus did anything to hit them.  
-- 
---
Larry McVoy            	 lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm 

  reply	other threads:[~2003-03-09 23:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 199+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-03-02  0:11 BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Adam J. Richter
2003-03-02  0:20 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-02  0:20 ` David Lang
2003-03-02  0:49 ` Arador
2003-03-02  1:03   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02  2:15   ` Alan Cox
2003-03-02  1:19     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02  1:40       ` BitBucket: GPL-ed *notrademarkhere* clone Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-02  1:45         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02  2:09           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-02 17:28             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02 18:16               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-02 20:12                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02 21:49                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-03 18:37                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-03 18:46                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-03 22:57                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-03 23:14                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03 23:56                     ` David Lang
2003-03-04  0:02                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-04  0:05                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-04  0:15                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-04  0:30                           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-04  2:20                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-04  5:29                         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-04  5:56                           ` Dimitrie O. Paun
2003-03-04 14:51                             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02  3:29           ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-02 17:12             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02 18:39               ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-02 20:01                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-03  0:47               ` nickn
2003-03-03  0:55                 ` David Lang
2003-03-03  2:31                   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-03  2:32                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-04  1:07                   ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-04  1:10                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-03 21:53               ` Joel Becker
2003-03-04 23:37                 ` Olaf Hering
2003-03-06 16:47                 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-06 16:41               ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 11:24                 ` Tupshin Harper
2003-03-07 11:28                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 21:53                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-08 23:18                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-03  0:13           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03  0:10       ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Pavel Machek
2003-03-04 16:16         ` David Woodhouse
2003-03-04 16:27           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-02  1:26 ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-06 16:18   ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 12:12     ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-07 12:32       ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 16:54         ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-07 17:14           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-07 19:08           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 19:25             ` Eli Carter
2003-03-07 20:29               ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 23:16             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-08 22:52               ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09  0:05                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09  1:21                   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-09  2:45                   ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09  3:19                     ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09  3:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-09  4:32                         ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09 13:34                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-03-09 15:35                             ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09 16:55                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 17:20                                 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09 17:48                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 19:58                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09 21:32                                     ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09 21:54                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-03-09 23:28                                         ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2003-03-13 20:00                                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09 17:39                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-09 17:58                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 18:20                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09 23:19                                     ` fs
2003-03-13  0:41                                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-13 21:21                                       ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-09 20:01                                   ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-13  0:13                             ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09 14:49                         ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-13  0:05                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-10  0:02                     ` Thoughts about ideal kernel SCM Petr Baudis
2003-03-10  0:32                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 19:29                         ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-13 10:36                       ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-14 22:56                         ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-17 20:59                       ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-10  3:41                     ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Horst von Brand
2003-03-10 13:52                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-10 23:03                     ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-11 18:40                       ` Zack Brown
2003-03-11 18:46                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-11 19:30                           ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-11 19:33                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-11 20:08                               ` Andrew Morton
2003-03-11 20:29                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-12  6:14                             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-13  2:48                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13  3:11                                 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-14 12:29                             ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-15 20:53                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-15 21:26                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 21:32                               ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-15 23:39                                 ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-16  0:39                               ` Horst von Brand
2003-04-07 21:22                               ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-12  3:47                         ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12  4:03                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12  4:49                             ` [PATCH] ~/kernel/sys.c (2.5.64) (trivial) Jay Patrick Howard
2003-03-12  5:22                           ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Zack Brown
2003-03-12  5:44                             ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 13:48                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13  1:03                                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 16:53                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 15:02                                     ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 21:25                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-12  6:19                             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-13  1:31                               ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 15:32                             ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 16:13                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-12 20:37                                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 20:54                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-13  2:00                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15  1:03                                     ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 13:22                           ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13  0:52                             ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 17:00                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13 21:48                                 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-13 22:04                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 16:21                                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 21:25                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 21:53                                     ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-15 21:50                                       ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-03-15 22:16                                         ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-15 22:18                                         ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-16  0:18                                       ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-16  0:53                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-16  0:55                                         ` [arch-users] " Stig Brautaset
2003-03-16  1:44                                         ` Tom Lord
2003-03-16  2:06                                           ` Adam Spiers
2003-03-16  3:28                                             ` David Lang
2003-03-16  5:43                                         ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-16 11:57                                         ` (Re: BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone) Moving to arch-users Petr Baudis
2003-03-14 11:34                         ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Pavel Machek
2003-03-12 23:38                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09  2:06             ` Horst von Brand
     [not found]             ` <b4b98v_14m_1@penguin.transmeta.com>
2003-03-12 23:23               ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-13 21:15                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-08  0:18       ` Olaf Dietsche
2003-03-02  1:37 ` Filip Van Raemdonck
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-04-08 17:52 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-08 18:02 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-08 23:19   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-09  0:47     ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-09  1:34       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-09  1:43       ` Robert White
2003-04-09  2:09     ` Mark Mielke
2003-04-09 13:14       ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2003-04-09 13:35         ` Matti Aarnio
2003-04-08 13:06 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-07 23:57 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-08  0:30 ` Larry McVoy
     [not found] <1047571030.5373.161.camel@passion.cambridge.redhat.com>
2003-03-15 14:17 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 18:48   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-15 18:51   ` David Woodhouse
     [not found] <20030309001008$2ed5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <20030309001008$4e61@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <20030309001008$0732@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <20030309001008$747c@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <20030309001008$6342@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-03-15 10:47         ` Kai Henningsen
2003-03-13 16:21 Ed Vance
2003-03-15 14:31 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 19:00 Kaz Kylheku
2003-03-03 17:02 Adam J. Richter
2003-03-02  2:23 Adam J. Richter
2003-03-03 15:26 ` Edward S. Marshall
2003-03-03 23:06   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-02-26 20:02 BitBucket: GPL-ed BitKeeper clone Pavel Machek
2003-03-01 18:05 ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Pavel Janík
2003-03-01 18:39   ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-01 22:43     ` Pavel Janík
2003-03-02  9:11       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-02  9:30         ` John Bradford
2003-03-02  9:32           ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-03 12:39           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03 14:12           ` Alan Cox
2003-03-03 13:57             ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 14:22               ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-03-03 15:08                 ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 17:50                   ` David Lang
2003-03-03 19:37                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03 19:49                     ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 14:22               ` Charles Cazabon
2003-03-02  9:57         ` Pavel Janík
2003-03-03  8:05       ` Helge Hafting
2003-03-03  8:28         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-03-01 20:58   ` Paul Fulghum
2003-03-02  4:52     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-03-03  0:02   ` Pavel Machek

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