From: Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] BK->CVS (real time mirror)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:34:13 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030312183413.GH563@phunnypharm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030312174244.GC13792@work.bitmover.com>
> CVS: 110,076 deltas over all files
> BK: 121,891 deltas over all files
(I can recalculate this if you tell me how many of the BK ones are empty
merge pointers)
90.31%
I wasn't far off by saying 90%. And don't tell me I can get all the
data, when in fact, I can't. Unless of course you give me an explicit
variance from your license, I pay for a license, or I get someone else
with BK to get me the data.
Larry, I am not trying to knock your efforts for the kernel. I am going
on record as saying "thank you, Larry". Linus has been much more
productive since using BK. The kernel patch quality and productivity of
the core kernel developers has increased. A new paradigm in source
control has come about.
But being a person who also has certain beliefs, I am not going to stand
on the side lines and watch the fight. Please don't drop me into the
pool of people who believe all source should be free. I work for
companies that retain some of their IP for good reason. I have signed
NDA's to get at source and work on things that I cannot give out for
free. I'm ok with that choice for a company. What I am not ok with, is
seeing something that I work with everyday slowly becoming engulfed in
gray area.
The kernel's revision history is always available. I get the cset
emails. I can extract all the info I want manually.
The problem I have is that you are going to make it so that the original
files that hold this data cannot be extracted in any meaningful way
without your tools. So if bitkeeper suddenly could not be used by Linus
or any others, for whatever reason, we are locked out of that original
dataset.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-03-12 18:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-03-12 17:42 [ANNOUNCE] BK->CVS (real time mirror) Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 18:01 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 18:34 ` Ben Collins [this message]
2003-03-12 19:03 ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-03-12 19:38 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 19:32 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-12 19:53 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 20:09 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 20:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-12 23:58 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 20:37 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-13 2:57 ` Aaron Lehmann
2003-03-16 3:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-16 17:45 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-16 18:54 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-16 19:30 ` Shawn
2003-03-16 19:33 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-16 21:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-17 1:18 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-17 1:35 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-17 1:56 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-17 9:01 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-03-17 17:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-17 18:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-17 19:32 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-17 19:40 ` David Lang
2003-03-17 20:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-17 20:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-17 20:12 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-17 21:56 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-17 22:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-21 14:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-21 17:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-21 19:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-22 0:15 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-22 0:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-17 17:41 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-17 18:04 ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-12 19:21 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-12 19:51 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 20:08 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 20:14 ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-03-12 20:18 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 20:46 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-12 20:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:08 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-13 0:41 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:18 ` Eli Carter
2003-03-13 20:45 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 1:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-13 23:40 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:05 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-03-12 21:18 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:31 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-03-12 21:33 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:45 ` Kai Germaschewski
2003-03-12 22:01 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 22:21 ` David Lang
2003-03-12 22:30 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 23:18 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-15 16:52 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-13 21:00 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 9:43 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-13 23:26 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-14 8:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-03-17 23:08 David Mansfield
2003-03-17 23:25 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-17 23:33 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-17 23:57 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-18 1:48 ` David Mansfield
2003-03-18 2:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-13 15:38 David Mansfield
2003-03-13 15:42 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 3:43 Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 4:16 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 8:55 ` Jens Axboe
2003-03-12 10:26 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-12 10:31 ` Jens Axboe
2003-03-12 10:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-12 11:15 ` Jens Axboe
2003-03-12 11:20 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-12 16:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-12 16:30 ` Dana Lacoste
2003-03-12 16:47 ` John Bradford
2003-03-12 17:08 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 21:50 ` Alan Cox
2003-03-13 23:30 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 17:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-12 17:57 ` John Bradford
2003-03-12 18:03 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 20:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-13 7:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-03-13 9:58 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 16:18 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 16:47 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-03-12 17:34 ` Ryan Anderson
2003-03-12 18:38 ` Arador
2003-03-12 18:47 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 19:12 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-13 0:29 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-13 0:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-16 3:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-12 4:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-12 4:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-16 3:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-12 19:34 ` Brandon Low
2003-03-16 13:45 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-17 14:18 ` Wayne Scott
2003-03-17 14:45 ` Pavel Machek
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