From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org>,
lm@bitmover.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] BK->CVS (real time mirror)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:56:27 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030313005627.GJ7275@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <93890000.1047515366@flay>
> Of course, I'm in no position to dictate to others what they should
> implement, do what you like ... just my personal opinion. But there's
> always the possiblity we can make something that fits kernel development
> *better*, rather than playing catchup to BK all the time ;-)
I like it when I agree with people, especially you since we've bumped
heads. It's much more fun to agree...
My personal opinion is that BK maps only so so well onto the kernel
development effort. It's not horrible, it's closer than any other SCM,
but it could be better. The kernel guys tend to be "more loose" than
commercial guys, i.e., stuff is tried, it sits in Alan's tree for a
while or DaveJ's tree and then is rejected if it is found to be bad.
You really need a sort of "lossy" SCM system, one which is willing to
throw data away. BK is absolutely not about losing information, we view
everything as valuable, even bad ideas. That matches the commercial
world better than the Linux world.
I _think_ that Arch is closer. You will definitely give up some stuff
if you move to Arch but you will also gain some stuff. Arch is willing
to pick and choose, we aren't, we're sort of an all or nothing answer.
Pavel is all hot and bothered about PRCS but PRCS is sort of BK without
the distribution, gui tools, and scripting. It's a step backwards as
far as I can tell (don't get me wrong, we've acknowledged the coolness
of PRCS on our website for years and I tried to team up with Josh, I'm
a fan). You should really look at Arch, it may be a better fit. And
these days, if you could find a better fit, none of us at BitMover
would shed a tear if you moved off BK. This has *not* been a pleasant
experience for us.
--
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Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-03-13 0:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-03-12 3:43 [ANNOUNCE] BK->CVS (real time mirror) Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 4:16 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 8:55 ` Jens Axboe
2003-03-12 10:26 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-12 10:31 ` Jens Axboe
2003-03-12 10:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-12 11:15 ` Jens Axboe
2003-03-12 11:20 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-12 16:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-12 16:30 ` Dana Lacoste
2003-03-12 16:47 ` John Bradford
2003-03-12 17:08 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 21:50 ` Alan Cox
2003-03-13 23:30 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 17:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-12 17:57 ` John Bradford
2003-03-12 18:03 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 20:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-14 19:15 ` BK->CVS (2.4 + 2.5 updates) Larry McVoy
2003-03-13 7:59 ` [ANNOUNCE] BK->CVS (real time mirror) Theodore Ts'o
2003-03-13 9:58 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 16:18 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 16:47 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-03-12 17:34 ` Ryan Anderson
2003-03-12 18:38 ` Arador
2003-03-12 18:47 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 19:12 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-13 0:29 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-13 0:56 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2003-03-16 3:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-12 4:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-12 4:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-16 3:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-12 19:34 ` Brandon Low
2003-03-16 13:45 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-17 14:18 ` Wayne Scott
2003-03-17 14:45 ` Pavel Machek
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-03-12 17:42 Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 18:01 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 18:34 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 19:03 ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-03-12 19:38 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 19:32 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-12 19:53 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 20:09 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 20:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-12 23:58 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 20:37 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-13 2:57 ` Aaron Lehmann
2003-03-16 3:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-16 17:45 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-16 18:54 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-16 19:30 ` Shawn
2003-03-16 19:33 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-16 21:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-17 1:18 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-17 1:35 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-17 1:56 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-17 9:01 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-03-17 17:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-17 18:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-17 19:32 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-17 19:40 ` David Lang
2003-03-17 20:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-17 20:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-17 20:12 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-17 21:56 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-17 22:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-21 14:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-21 17:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-21 19:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-22 0:15 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-22 0:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-17 17:41 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-17 18:04 ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-12 19:21 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-12 19:51 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 20:08 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 20:14 ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-03-12 20:18 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 20:46 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-12 20:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:08 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-13 0:41 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:18 ` Eli Carter
2003-03-13 20:45 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 1:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-13 23:40 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:05 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-03-12 21:18 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:31 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-03-12 21:33 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:45 ` Kai Germaschewski
2003-03-12 22:01 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 22:21 ` David Lang
2003-03-12 22:30 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 23:18 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-15 16:52 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-13 21:00 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 9:43 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-13 23:26 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-14 8:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-13 15:38 David Mansfield
2003-03-13 15:42 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-17 23:08 David Mansfield
2003-03-17 23:25 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-17 23:33 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-17 23:57 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-18 1:48 ` David Mansfield
2003-03-18 2:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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