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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
Cc: John Jasen <jjasen@realityfailure.org>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>, Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	vojtech@suse.cz
Subject: Re: Never ever use word BitKeeper if Larry does not like you
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:37:27 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030314163727.GE8937@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1047659289.2566.109.camel@sisko.scot.redhat.com>

> > Check with your lawyers again, since Red Hat has posted in the past that 
> > 'similar' namings would be chased after. I think the example they used was 
> > 'Pink Fedora'.
> 
> Having a product name "confusingly similar" to another one _is_ grounds
> for trademark action.  See Lindows, Mobilix etc.  (And yes, of course,
> it's a very subjective thing in many cases.)
> 
> But simply comparing one product to another is not the same.
> 
> I'd expect using a name like "BitBucket" to be much more at risk of
> being a trademark infringement than merely claiming that a project "aims
> to be BitKeeper compatible" or "can read BitKeeper repositories."

But it can't read BK repositories in many cases.  We support compressed
repositories, it can't read those.  We support many corner cases which
SCCS didn't handle, it can't read those.  It can't reproduce all of the
extensions that we have added.  In other words, saying what Pavel has
is like BitKeeper is like saying cat is like Word because they both read
data off of disk.  

That's the whole point.  If we sit back and let people think that he has
something remotely similar to BK, it devalues BitKeeper in the mind of
those people.  Since this is a very complex system with lots of subtle
features, people easily get confused.  What Pavel has doesn't approach
the functionality of CVS, let alone BitKeeper, yet he is describing it
as a BitKeeper clone.  If we allow that, we're just shooting our brand
name dead.

It's amusing, perhaps, to relate that we have been on the other side
of this debate in the past.  We used to have a section in our comparisons
on ClearCase and we said that CC was no longer actively developed.  The
Rational lawyers kicked up a fuss, their view was different.  We had
said that because the product is basically done, it isn't rapidly evolving
the way a young product does, it's done.  But they do port it to new 
platforms and bug fix it and their (valid) position was that it was
actively developed.  We promptly fixed the web page, they signed off
the existing page, no fuss, no muss.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy              lm at bitmover.com          http://www.bitmover.com/lm

  reply	other threads:[~2003-03-14 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-03-14 10:51 Never ever use word BitKeeper if Larry does not like you Pavel Machek
2003-03-14 11:19 ` Murray J. Root
2003-03-14 11:50 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-03-14 13:35   ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-03-14 14:43   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-14 16:10     ` Alan Cox
2003-03-14 15:14       ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-14 16:11         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2003-03-14 16:21           ` John Jasen
2003-03-14 16:28             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2003-03-14 16:37               ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2003-03-14 16:56                 ` Linux-kernel-revision-control list (was: Re: Never ever use word BitKeeper if Larry does not like you) Christian Daudt
2003-03-15  2:29                   ` Joshua Kwan
2003-03-16  7:56                   ` Josef Roehrl
2003-03-14 17:09                 ` Never ever use word BitKeeper if Larry does not like you Davide Libenzi
2003-03-14 18:29                   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-14 18:48                     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-14 17:10                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2003-03-14 21:12                 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-03-15  0:59                 ` Stephen Satchell
2003-03-14 18:57           ` Wichert Akkerman
2003-03-14 20:49           ` Roger Luethi
2003-03-14 21:55             ` Eric Sandall
2003-03-15  0:56           ` Stephen Satchell
2003-03-15  3:36             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-15 12:20             ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-16  0:57               ` Alan Cox
2003-03-16  5:01                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2003-03-14 16:29         ` Alan Cox
2003-03-14 15:29           ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-14 16:43             ` Alan Cox
2003-03-14 16:43             ` Tom Sightler
2003-03-14 16:58               ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-14 17:56                 ` Tom Sightler
2003-03-14 18:34                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-03-14 17:44         ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-14 20:37         ` Teodor Iacob
2003-03-14 18:29     ` Brian McGroarty
2003-03-14 20:33   ` Teodor Iacob
2003-03-14 21:32     ` Brian McGroarty
2003-03-14 12:06 ` Matthias Andree
2003-03-14 15:38   ` Alan Cox
2003-03-14 16:00   ` Mark Mielke
2003-03-14 16:03     ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-14 16:30       ` Mark Mielke
2003-03-14 23:13   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-14 13:42 ` Tomas Szepe
2003-03-14 14:33 ` Never ever send Pavel private mail unless you want him to publish it Vlad@geekizoid.com
2003-03-14 14:50   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-03-14 16:13   ` Mark Mielke
2003-03-17  0:16     ` Stuart MacDonald
2003-03-17  0:44       ` Tim Smith
2003-03-17  8:43         ` Helge Hafting
2003-03-17  0:57       ` Vlad@geekizoid.com
2003-03-17  2:16         ` Stuart MacDonald
2003-03-17  2:16           ` David Lang
2003-03-17  4:37             ` Vlad@geekizoid.com
2003-03-17  6:21               ` Oliver Xymoron
2003-03-17 14:56                 ` Vlad@geekizoid.com
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2003-03-14 21:48         ` Never ever use word BitKeeper if Larry does not like you Florian Weimer
2003-03-15  0:49           ` John Alvord
2003-03-15  7:51             ` Florian Weimer
2003-03-15 14:32             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen

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