From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:47:18 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030409004718.GA1855@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030408231949.GB31923@mail.jlokier.co.uk>
On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 12:19:49AM +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Larry McVoy wrote about unreleased improvements to Bitkeeper:
> > [...] we're worried about the open source guys stealing them.
>
> Seriously, do you see it as "stealing" if someone mimics your best ideas?
Yes. It is not clear to me that open source community has realized that
it is much harder to come up with the ideas than it is to copy them.
Much of the activity in open source community is copying, providing a
GPLed version of some commercial tool.
The problem is that that those things which you wish to copy represent
easily 10x-100x more work than it would take to copy them. So we spend
the order[s] of magnitude more money to get a good answer and you copy it.
In many cases, before we can recoup our investment.
The short answer is yes, it's stealing in our eyes. If you're such a
good programmer, how about you go figure out the SCM answers without
leveraging our work? By not honoring that request, you are begging us
to stop improving the free version of BK. Also known as "cutting off
your nose to spite your face".
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Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-04-09 0:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-04-08 17:52 BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-08 18:02 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-08 23:19 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-09 0:47 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2003-04-09 1:34 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-09 1:43 ` Robert White
2003-04-09 2:09 ` Mark Mielke
2003-04-09 13:14 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2003-04-09 13:35 ` Matti Aarnio
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-04-08 13:06 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-07 23:57 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-08 0:30 ` Larry McVoy
[not found] <1047571030.5373.161.camel@passion.cambridge.redhat.com>
2003-03-15 14:17 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 18:48 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-15 18:51 ` David Woodhouse
[not found] <20030309001008$2ed5@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <20030309001008$4e61@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <20030309001008$0732@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <20030309001008$747c@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <20030309001008$6342@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-03-15 10:47 ` Kai Henningsen
2003-03-13 16:21 Ed Vance
2003-03-15 14:31 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 19:00 Kaz Kylheku
2003-03-03 17:02 Adam J. Richter
2003-03-02 2:23 Adam J. Richter
2003-03-03 15:26 ` Edward S. Marshall
2003-03-03 23:06 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-02 0:11 Adam J. Richter
2003-03-02 0:20 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-02 0:20 ` David Lang
2003-03-02 0:49 ` Arador
2003-03-02 1:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02 2:15 ` Alan Cox
2003-03-02 1:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-03 0:10 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-04 16:16 ` David Woodhouse
2003-03-04 16:27 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-02 1:26 ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-06 16:18 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 12:12 ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-07 12:32 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 16:54 ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-07 17:14 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-07 19:08 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 19:25 ` Eli Carter
2003-03-07 20:29 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 23:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-08 22:52 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09 0:05 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09 1:21 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-09 2:45 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09 3:19 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09 3:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-09 4:32 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09 13:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-03-09 15:35 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09 16:55 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 17:20 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09 17:48 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 19:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09 21:32 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09 21:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-03-09 23:28 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-13 20:00 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09 17:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-09 17:58 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 18:20 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09 23:19 ` fs
2003-03-13 0:41 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-13 21:21 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-09 20:01 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-13 0:13 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09 14:49 ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-13 0:05 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-10 3:41 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-10 13:52 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-10 23:03 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-11 18:40 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-11 18:46 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-11 19:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-11 19:33 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-11 20:08 ` Andrew Morton
2003-03-11 20:29 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-12 6:14 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-13 2:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13 3:11 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-14 12:29 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-15 20:53 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-15 21:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 21:32 ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-15 23:39 ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-16 0:39 ` Horst von Brand
2003-04-07 21:22 ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-12 3:47 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 4:03 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 5:22 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-12 5:44 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 13:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13 1:03 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 16:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 15:02 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 21:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-12 6:19 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-13 1:31 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 15:32 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 16:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-12 20:37 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 20:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-13 2:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 1:03 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 13:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13 0:52 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 17:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13 21:48 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-13 22:04 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 16:21 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 21:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 21:53 ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-15 21:50 ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-03-15 22:16 ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-15 22:18 ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-16 0:18 ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-16 0:53 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-16 5:43 ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-14 11:34 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-12 23:38 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09 2:06 ` Horst von Brand
[not found] ` <b4b98v_14m_1@penguin.transmeta.com>
2003-03-12 23:23 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-13 21:15 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-08 0:18 ` Olaf Dietsche
2003-03-02 1:37 ` Filip Van Raemdonck
2003-02-26 20:02 BitBucket: GPL-ed BitKeeper clone Pavel Machek
2003-03-01 18:05 ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Pavel Janík
2003-03-01 18:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-01 22:43 ` Pavel Janík
2003-03-02 9:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-02 9:30 ` John Bradford
2003-03-02 9:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-03 12:39 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03 14:12 ` Alan Cox
2003-03-03 13:57 ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 14:22 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-03-03 15:08 ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 17:50 ` David Lang
2003-03-03 19:37 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03 19:49 ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 14:22 ` Charles Cazabon
2003-03-02 9:57 ` Pavel Janík
2003-03-03 8:05 ` Helge Hafting
2003-03-03 8:28 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-03-01 20:58 ` Paul Fulghum
2003-03-02 4:52 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-03-03 0:02 ` Pavel Machek
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